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01-07-2009, 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by zulutango  I would have used 13 (1)(c) of the MV Act instead as it is specific.
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13 (1) A person commits an offence if the person drives, operates, parks or is in charge of a motor vehicle or trailer on a highway
(a) without the licence required by this Act for the operation of that motor vehicle or trailer having been first obtained and being then in force,
(b) without displaying on it, in the manner prescribed, the number plates issued or designated by the Insurance Corporation of British Columbia or otherwise prescribed to be displayed on that motor vehicle or trailer for the current licence year of that motor vehicle or trailer, or
(c) that has displayed on it a number plate other than those issued or designated by the Insurance Corporation of British Columbia or otherwise prescribed to be displayed on that motor vehicle or trailer for the current licence year of that motor vehicle or trailer. | Didnt see that part of the MVA, well I guess I'm wrong then.
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Originally Posted by weitaro nice euro plate.
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Originally Posted by Rich Sandor Commercial Plates (and any other plate officially issued to you by the government) are allowed to be (supposed to be, actually) displayed alongside your normal plate.
NO OTHER PLATES ARE ALLOWED.
DECORATIVE PLATES ARE ILLEGAL.
end of story. | Gotcha' off it goes. Thanks. Quote: |
Originally Posted by marko535 If that plate is illegal, couldn't you get a sticker made of that exact euro plate and stick it to your front bumper? I saw a person with a sticker of the euro plate stuck to the front of his new BMW, talked to him about it and he said he got comments from the police for it all the time, but no ticket because it was a sticker. From someone elses point of view, a sticker would look the same a as euro plate unless they stop and stare at it.... | And thats what the cop did. He was on a motorcycle, drove up beside my car and leaned over to look at the plate.
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01-08-2009, 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by johny yes the law states one in the front. you have 2 in the front. therefor you are breaking the law.... | Actually, he's not. Quote:
3.011 Number plates issued for a vehicle under the Commercial Transport Act or Motor Vehicle Act must be attached
(a) one plate to the front and one plate to the rear of the vehicle, if 2 number plates are issued for a vehicle, and
(b) to the rear of the vehicle, if a single number plate is issued for a vehicle.
| It states that IF two plates are issued, one OF THOSE must be on the front and one on the back... it doesn't say a thing about any other plates, let alone prohibiting them.
The section 13(1)(c) quoted by zulutango would apply here... but I think if I were RCubed here, I'd be disputing a charge under 3.011(a), because as skidmark notes, he has indeed fulfilled that section of the regulations.
It may be a technicality, but hey, nobody should make excuses for doing a half-assed job or guessing at details. If a home builder has plans that says a wall of a house has to be 6'10" high, he can't just arbitrarily round it off to 7' - if he gets away with it regularly, eventually he'll end up with a crooked house and some serious problems.
I don't agree with people disputing on stupid things, like hoping the cop won't show up or other things that just waste the court's time, but at the same time when a cop is in error, he needs to be held accountable just like anyone else in their jobs.
Yes, the plate is illegal... but the CHARGE is also for something RCubed *is not* guilty of. It's no more valid than if it had been written for a broken tail light.
I think the one other bit of advice skidmark would give, is not to tell the cop beforehand what your planned defense is, as the ticket can still be amended before court. Play your cards close to your chest and only reveal them before the JJP.
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01-08-2009, 08:57 PM
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i have no plates in front of my car just on my windshield for 3 years and i never got a ticket.
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01-08-2009, 10:20 PM
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Lots of people speed regularly and never get a ticket either... then act all shocked and bewildered and outraged when they do finally get nailed.
Just because you've been lucky, doesn't mean the law doesn't apply to you too.
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01-08-2009, 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Gtrr33 I don't understand the "cool factor" in having those plates, it looks retarded | i 2nd that.
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01-09-2009, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Type-SIR i have no plates in front of my car just on my windshield for 3 years and i never got a ticket. | When you do get the ticket for no front plate I hope it comes with a follow up ticket for having it on the dash. Do you have any idea what that plate would do in an accident?
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01-09-2009, 10:48 AM
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So what exactly is the point of displaying a european plate in CANADA?
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01-09-2009, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Great68 So what exactly is the point of displaying a european plate in CANADA? | Mad EDM tyte, yo
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01-09-2009, 05:40 PM
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We live in Canada.
If you want that plate on your car, move to that country.
Plain and simple. Follow the rules or get ready to pay them off,
That simple.
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01-09-2009, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Great68 So what exactly is the point of displaying a european plate in CANADA? | because deep inside our mind...
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01-11-2009, 08:57 PM
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^ Yup.. my ancestors were from Europe... In general, I hate the USA.
Call Alpi's Auto Wrecking and ask them how their van gets away with it... they have a plate on the rear that says "Alpi's Auto" on a custom Euro plate, mounted above the rear BC plate.
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01-11-2009, 09:05 PM
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^PG Performance's parts van has a custom Europlate as well.
I guess I was unlucky. I took it off since i'm violating 13.1(c) anyways.
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01-15-2009, 12:55 PM
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does anyone know if its legal to drive with no front plates?
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01-15-2009, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by RCubed ^PG Performance's parts van has a custom Europlate as well.
I guess I was unlucky. I took it off since i'm violating 13.1(c) anyways. | PG Performance Parts Van also drives around with a DEMO plate on it... Therefore it needs no front plate at all... 
Their shop car does this as well...
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01-15-2009, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by cls55coupe does anyone know if its legal to drive with no front plates? | Read through this thread and educate yourself. There are several quotations of the appropriate Motor Vehicle Act section answering your question. You don't think that ICBC issues you a 2nd plate to hang and frame on your wall, do you?
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01-15-2009, 02:46 PM
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You must display each and every plate that you are issued, and only in the directed fashion.
If you were not "issued" the plate, you must not display it.
Just because you see people "getting away with it" does NOT mean it's okay.
Dealer-plates, repair-plates, and transporter-plates are issued singularly, ergo they only have 1 plate to display.
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01-15-2009, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by cls55coupe does anyone know if its legal to drive with no front plates? | Holy : Batman... 
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01-15-2009, 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by yvrnycracer PG Performance Parts Van also drives around with a DEMO plate on it... Therefore it needs no front plate at all...
Their shop car does this as well... | Technically Alpi's and PGP are still violating 13.1(c), correct?
On another note, I spotted a silver 330ci today on 4th and Arbutus with ONLY Europlates- front and rear. It was a old lady driving it too. Is it possible to be driving around town with insurance from Europe? Maybe it was a consulate car?
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01-16-2009, 01:14 AM
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Is it possible to be driving around town with insurance from Europe?
| Yes, but it is EXTREMELY rare. There was a factory SEAT Leon in Yaletown on a 6 month conditional visit. (SEAT is a spanish brand, not sold in North America) Quote: |
Maybe it was a consulate car?
| No. Consul plates are red, but same size as BC plates.
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01-17-2009, 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted by RCubed Technically Alpi's and PGP are still violating 13.1(c), correct?
On another note, I spotted a silver 330ci today on 4th and Arbutus with ONLY Europlates- front and rear. It was a old lady driving it too. Is it possible to be driving around town with insurance from Europe? Maybe it was a consulate car? | I have always wondered what the penalty is for running no plate at all even if the car is legally licensed, insured and registered... (for instance only running europlates)
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01-17-2009, 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by yvrnycracer I have always wondered what the penalty is for running no plate at all even if the car is legally licensed, insured and registered... (for instance only running europlates) | That would contravene BOTH 3.011(a) and 13(1)(c) then, wouldn't it? Quote:
Offences
13 (1) A person commits an offence if the person drives, operates, parks or is in charge of a motor vehicle or trailer on a highway
(a) without the licence required by this Act for the operation of that motor vehicle or trailer having been first obtained and being then in force,
(b) without displaying on it, in the manner prescribed, the number plates issued or designated by the Insurance Corporation of British Columbia or otherwise prescribed to be displayed on that motor vehicle or trailer for the current licence year of that motor vehicle or trailer, or
| Quote: 3.011 Number plates issued for a vehicle under the Commercial Transport Act or Motor Vehicle Act must be attached
(a) one plate to the front and one plate to the rear of the vehicle, if 2 number plates are issued for a vehicle, and
(b) to the rear of the vehicle, if a single number plate is issued for a vehicle.
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01-17-2009, 08:40 AM
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Either charge would fit. The interesting thing is that it is cheaper ($109) to run no plate than it is to have an obstructed one ($196).
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01-18-2009, 10:33 PM
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what if the car is register in AB and insurance is also AB and the driver driver liscense is from AB? would it result in a ticket as well for having the Europlate in the front? (since AB doesnt issue out a front plate.)
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01-19-2009, 06:31 AM
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My question would be...is it legal to have a second plate that appears to be a plate, but isn't, on a car in Alberta? If it is and you were only visiting BC and NOT "ordnarily resident", then it would be legal. As long as you car is legal in the province where it is registered and there are no safety concerns, then it is legal in BC ...while you visit, not while you live here.
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