Excessive police force in victoria Just wondering what our revscene cops think of this? YouTube- Excessive force by Victoria police - Mar 20, 2010 - judge for yourself |
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I'd be curious to know the circumstances of the situation. Also, this is one more reason why obeying the police is a smart move. |
That does not look good on the cops. Anyone know the story or a news link? |
need lots more video from before this to determine context. maybe they weren't following instructions, or were resisting arrest. that second guy is retarded if he was sitting on the grass and got up, not a smart idea when a cop tells you to shut up, sit down, and don't move... and then you go and get up and walk towards them... of course thats going to earn you a boot in the kidney. |
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http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/l...ritishColumbia |
People do not like to listen when they are drunk.. Cop tells you to do something and you don't basically says you wont listen to them so they are better off handcuffing you. If you resist thats your own problem.. Also i dont understand why people try to move away when a cop pulls out their handcuffs, its not like they are going to put the cuffs back and call it a day. If you know you are going to get cuffed you will. |
In the beginning of the video you can see a guy laying down in front of the store not moving. If they were responsible, the kicks were understandable. http://www.revscene.net/forums/exces...e-t609784.html |
You think they don't have access to the off topic forum or something? |
Unfortunately, whenever you see something in the news, you really have no context at all to place it in. Being skeptical of the media, my personal opinion is that they cut the video to try and show the police in a bad light. Sometimes it is deserved, and sometimes not. If not, I think that the officer should be responsible for the excess force. |
bad move on the cops |
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Generally, by the time that you have reached the point in the incident that the video was taken, you have either missed or exhausted the opportunity to ask nicely. Minimum force has failed and you are now into making it happen and you've decided not to back out. Now you are dealing with a subject who has been drinking, is not compliant, and adding a bit of pain to the equation is what is needed to force the issue. (Might be a perfect time to use a Taser, but there are problems with that too!) This is the only part that the video shows, and the boot looks bad, but in the total context is an acceptable way of applying force to try and bring about compliance. It's hard to really understand this until you have to make someone go with you who does not want to and violently resists. |
I have no problem with the amount of force used by the officers in that video, especially if the CTV article is accurate describing how those guys were attacking a guy on the street. |
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The suspect was crawling with both his arms well exposed. Wouldn't it have been a much simpler end to the situation if the officers simply grabbed his arms, pulled them to the sides and let the crawler down on his chest? Both arms would be out to the side and it would have been much easier to bring about compliance. Instead of grabbing his arm, the officer in the yellow jacket kicked the suspect, waited for the suspect to fall down onto his left side, then placed his knee firmly in the suspect's back making it much harder for the suspect to slide his arm under him and then around his back. The second kneeing in the back was also uncalled for. In the position he was in, the suspect simply couldn't bring his left hand under him and place it around his back. |
This might look like excessive force, but the media only reports what the police did, but they don't say what the drunk guys were doing before it escalated to that. However, I do agree it looks bad, but I wouldn't judge them until I hear everything. However, it seems like the Victoria police have been in the news lately for a bunch of negative things. |
The 'victim' was a 6 foot 5 inch 250 lb former Shamrocks player. He said the pain was 'the worst he had ever felt in his life'...what kind of Lacrosse do the 'Rocks play ? |
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Turns out the second guy in the video getting the kick was actually asking for help. http://www.theprovince.com/kicked+se...689/story.html |
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Are you saying because hes a big guy, he can take on 5-6 other guys? |
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I myself have never been in a fight, so it wouldn't have to be a big hit for it to qualify as the worst pain I have felt. Anyway, perhaps the kick (that was hard enough to be picked up by the camera's microphone) was necessary. The suspect was on his hands and knees. What prevented the officers from simply grabbing his arms and pulling them sideways causing the suspect to fall flat to the ground? Shouldn't officer yellowjacket have first attempted to control the suspect's arm instead of kick him? I can understand kicking if the suspect was fighting back and throwing punches. The suspect was on his left side with officer yellowjacket's knee planted firmly in his back. He couldn't possibly have been able to slide his left arm between himself and the ground. Did that deserve another knee-hit to the spine? |
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