N sign in Alberta

[Jeremy617]

I've searched up and down on here and google and came up with nothing. I'd have thought this would have been asked before alot...

Do i need to put an N sign on my car in alberta? I'm flying out monday morning and need to rent a car, not sure if i should pack an N along with me.

I guess maybe its common sense, since its a 'restriction' on my DL, but what's the point if nobody over there even knows what it means?

[t-o-o-MUCH]

Wow really? You answered your own question in the last bit, they won't enforce a law that isn't theirs, need a fail button for rs mobile
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[Jgresch]

How are you going to rent a car???
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[zulutango]

You may get stopped there and the Police do have access to your DL info. You might run into one who reads the back of your Dl where it says you must display the N. It's easy to see that yiou are violating your restrictions. I'm sure Alberta has a section of their MCAct that deals with that. Keeping iin mind that your rental contract requires you to obey all laws...get into a crash and they may invalidate your coverage. Why not just take an N instead of a chance?

[sebberry]

Originally Posted by Jgresch

How are you going to rent a car???
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Presumably he will walk up to the rental agent and ask to rent a car, but I'm just speculating here.

[Jeremy617]

Originally Posted by sebberry

Presumably he will walk up to the rental agent and ask to rent a car, but I'm just speculating here.

good guess. Just because i have an N doesn't mean i'm 17.


Guess i'll bring it along, doesn't bother me to have it on the car, was simply curious if it was required. Good point about the rental agreement, didn't think about that, I would definitely be in trouble if i got into an accident.

[Jgresch]

Sorry to stereotype N drivers lol...
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[Bainne]

Originally Posted by zulutango

You may get stopped there and the Police do have access to your DL info. You might run into one who reads the back of your Dl where it says you must display the N. It's easy to see that yiou are violating your restrictions. I'm sure Alberta has a section of their MCAct that deals with that. Keeping iin mind that your rental contract requires you to obey all laws...get into a crash and they may invalidate your coverage. Why not just take an N instead of a chance?

I guess strictly speaking you are bound by the conditions of the province your license is in, and could be ticketed under a general contrary to license restrictions rule, but checking with the Alberta Traffic Fines And Demerits, they don't actually seem have an all encompassing section for that?

They only have specific license restriction penalties:

Violation: Penalty

Alcohol consumption :Immediate 30 day suspension

More passengers than seat belts - 32(4)/33(8) : $100 fine & 2 demerit points

Driving after midnight (learners only) - 51(g) :$100 fine & 2 demerit points

No accompanying driver 51(e)/(f.1) : $200 fine & 2 demerit points



I honestly have a very hard time believing an officer would be able to enforce a law that pertains to a motor vehicle act violation from another province and has no equivilant in the province where the offence occurred. Aside from just the serving of the ticket... would it even be able to stand up in court?

It also brings into question, what type of enforcement would prevail in a case where a novice driver is violating restrictions set out in both; disallowed in BC yet allowed in Alberta? For instance, Alberta allows as many passengers as there are seatbelts (are you normally allowed more passangers than seatbelts lol ). Yet if a N driver from BC is pulled over with two non related individuals (disallowed under the BC MVA) in their car with 4 seatbelts while driving in Alberta - would the Alberta law be able to enforce the BC restriction? Despite the fact that their actions were allowed under Alberta's GPL Probationary stage (equivalent to BC's N).

Further on the what if's - does this translate into an officer in another province being able to enforce ANY motor vehicle law of the individuals home province? So if an individual from BC is caught doing 40km/h or higher in AB, could their vehicle still be towed for 7 days, etc etc.?

[zulutango]

My point was that the rental companies are very strict when it comes to insurance claim payouts and the legality of coverage. I have been instructed to call tow trucks and seize vehicles from drivers on their behalf, when drivers have been found violating the conditions of their rental contract. It just seems so much simpler to carry a N instead of finding out the hard way at roadside in Frostbite Alberta at 7pm on a Sunday....but then, that is the RS way isnt it?

[Jeremy617]

Originally Posted by zulutango

My point was that the rental companies are very strict when it comes to insurance claim payouts and the legality of coverage. I have been instructed to call tow trucks and seize vehicles from drivers on their behalf, when drivers have been found violating the conditions of their rental contract. It just seems so much simpler to carry a N instead of finding out the hard way at roadside in Frostbite Alberta at 7pm on a Sunday....but then, that is the RS way isnt it?

you convinced me with your first post. I'll be wearing my N all week :P

don't think my boss would be too happy if i missed my return flight and had my rentar car towed.

[Soundy]

Originally Posted by Bainne

I honestly have a very hard time believing an officer would be able to enforce a law that pertains to a motor vehicle act violation from another province and has no equivilant in the province where the offence occurred. Aside from just the serving of the ticket... would it even be able to stand up in court?

It also brings into question, what type of enforcement would prevail in a case where a novice driver is violating restrictions set out in both; disallowed in BC yet allowed in Alberta? For instance, Alberta allows as many passengers as there are seatbelts (are you normally allowed more passangers than seatbelts lol ). Yet if a N driver from BC is pulled over with two non related individuals (disallowed under the BC MVA) in their car with 4 seatbelts while driving in Alberta - would the Alberta law be able to enforce the BC restriction? Despite the fact that their actions were allowed under Alberta's GPL Probationary stage (equivalent to BC's N).

Further on the what if's - does this translate into an officer in another province being able to enforce ANY motor vehicle law of the individuals home province? So if an individual from BC is caught doing 40km/h or higher in AB, could their vehicle still be towed for 7 days, etc etc.?

In the case of your N, the restrictions exist and are even printed ON THE DRIVER'S LICENSE, regardless of the local laws. If your license states you're not allowed to drive after dark, then you bloody well better not be caught driving after dark in any other province. If it states that you require corrective eyewear, then have to use your corrective eyewear when driving, or you're violating the restrictions on your license.