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Old 06-04-2013, 09:59 AM   #1051
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The way the red wedding developed in the book was much more enjoyable and wayyy more of a WTF moment as you read it because the way it happened was so subtle but so well written as I read it I was like wow wow wow...hold on a sec go back and read it and my eyes were just wide like WTF!!!
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You can say that about just about everything though... Arya's story in particular is nowhere near as good.. But that's the difference between a book and TV.. just enjoy being able to see some parts from the book visualized, that's what I do
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Storm of Swords was really epic and the show is doing a great job at capturing the most heart and gut-wrenching passages from the book. I do agree that Arya's story is much better in the book, but I have a big hunch that they are just saving her main character development parts in the next couple of seasons since there is already so much going on here.

The book was even divided into four separate editions in France, and two in many other countries. The US paperback edition consists of 1200+ pages.... Overall I am still really impressed with the way the show is progressing and imagine that for every fan lost due to the controversial scenes that have been taking place as of late, three more will hop aboard and start either reading or watching the show
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You can say that about just about everything though... Arya's story in particular is nowhere near as good.. But that's the difference between a book and TV.. just enjoy being able to see some parts from the book visualized, that's what I do
Yea true, and the RW was almost exactly how I pictured besides maybe being a bit more of like a grand hall for the feast
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Can't wait to hear Bolton's reasons for betraying Robb. He seemed so damn loyal in previous episodes that i did not expect this at all.

If it's always been about money then why did he serve the Starks so loyally all that time?
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Can't wait to hear Bolton's reasons for betraying Robb. He seemed so damn loyal in previous episodes that i did not expect this at all.

If it's always been about money then why did he serve the Starks so loyally all that time?
Should've been obvious when he released Jaime Lannister.
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Some non spoiler background from the books: The Boltons allegiance with the North was always tenuous. This goes back a thousand years! Throughout all the fighting, they would 'flay' whoever they captured - skin men alive. The 'legend' even says that they wore Stark skins as cloaks...

This is why, while it hasn't been said explicitly, we know who is torturing Greyjoy.. he is skinning Theon's fingers and toes, not cutting them off. The 'game' is that the victim will ask for his fingers to be cut off, since it hurts so much. That's why Theon asked for his finger to be cut off (in the book he bites it off the first time). I guess they can't show this on TV, so a lot of detail is lost again.

Anyway, they were finally 'conquered' by the Starks 300 years ago, and agreed to stop flaying. Of course you know they did it anyway in secret

So the combination of always hating the Starks along with the opportunity to join who they think are going to win the Game of Thrones, is why Roose betrayed the Starks.
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That's disgusting. Why is something so horrible a house tradition?
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That's ASOIAF for you.. every house has a 'gimmick' of some sort. Honorable House Stark, rich and powerful House Lannister, rich House Tyrell with their flowers and powerful navy, badass Targaryen with their dragons, And just wait until you learn more about the Greyjoys and the Ironborn in general. Then you have the Crannogmen (the two that are with Bran Stark right now) who the people call "frog eaters" for obvious reasons, and have some sort powers sometimes

That's what makes the series so cool, there are so many different types of people, and the author isn't afraid to go way out there to make one stand out if he needs to.
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Can't wait to hear Bolton's reasons for betraying Robb. He seemed so damn loyal in previous episodes that i did not expect this at all.

If it's always been about money then why did he serve the Starks so loyally all that time?
He made a deal. That's why he says "The Lanisters send their regards." or something like that.

And the Boltons are dicks.
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Some non spoiler background from the books: The Boltons allegiance with the North was always tenuous. This goes back a thousand years! Throughout all the fighting, they would 'flay' whoever they captured - skin men alive. The 'legend' even says that they wore Stark skins as cloaks...

This is why, while it hasn't been said explicitly, we know who is torturing Greyjoy.. he is skinning Theon's fingers and toes, not cutting them off. The 'game' is that the victim will ask for his fingers to be cut off, since it hurts so much. That's why Theon asked for his finger to be cut off (in the book he bites it off the first time). I guess they can't show this on TV, so a lot of detail is lost again.

Anyway, they were finally 'conquered' by the Starks 300 years ago, and agreed to stop flaying. Of course you know they did it anyway in secret

So the combination of always hating the Starks along with the opportunity to join who they think are going to win the Game of Thrones, is why Roose betrayed the Starks.
One of my least favorite parts of the book. Theon bites it off the first time but he isn't allowed to. The torture that poor dude goes through made me squirm listening to it.

They cut off the skin so the flesh is exposed, it hurts and itches like crazy but the prisoners aren't allowed to scratch or they get tortured more.

The Ironborn are weird as shit. For anyone that played WoW, I imagine they're like the soggy looking Vrykul dudes with their Drowned God and stuff. WEIRD. I sort of like the Martell story, though...that shit is going to hit the fan in the next book.
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Isn't this a violation of the 'house rule' or whatever, the most 'sacred rule of gods and men" where you don't harm your guests in your house etc. Surely there will be hell to pay.
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Isn't this a violation of the 'house rule' or whatever, the most 'sacred rule of gods and men" where you don't harm your guests in your house etc. Surely there will be hell to pay.
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As the author of the popular Song Of Ice And Fire series of fantasy novels, it has been a pleasure and a joy to watch Game Of Thrones, HBO’s riveting television adaptation of my work. Every week, the show delights viewers, myself included, with a series of stirring performances, deftly maneuvered feats of visual storytelling, and eye-popping special effects. It truly is a joy to watch my novels—my life’s work—come to life on the screen, rendered with tact, faithfulness, and considerable filmmaking skill.

That being said, HOLY FUCKING SHIT. I totally forgot that whole thing about the Red Wedding! Christ almighty, talk about a punch in the goddamned gut. I must have been sitting there for 20 minutes afterwards just completely numb with disbelief, like, “What the hell did I just watch?”

I mean, is it that brutal in my book? I honestly don’t remember.

The whole time it was happening, I was literally just staring at my television in shock thinking, “Son of a bitch, I forgot about that! Three of the story’s main characters are murdered in the most savage and horrific fashion imaginable!” My wife and I were sitting on the couch and we both just turned and looked at each other, like, “Whoa. That was intense.” I mean, I vaguely remember writing something like that, but that was years ago, you know? You forget these things.

And you don’t see it coming, either; that’s the thing. The previous episode capped off with the marriage of Tyrion Lannister and Sansa Stark, which seemed like it might be the real big event in a season that has largely been concerned with puzzle pieces falling into place. So with only two episodes left before the season’s conclusion, I was just looking forward to some more juicy exposition, no more, no less. But no! Catelyn Stark, Robb Stark, his wife Talisa and their unborn child—hell, even Robb’s wolf, Grey Wind—all slaughtered on the same night by the traitorous Walder Frey and his league of Lannister sympathizers! And at the end of a wedding no less! A goddamned wedding!

And here I was sitting on my couch like a child thinking about how sweet it was that Talisa wanted to name the baby after Ned Stark, and how emotional it would be in two minutes when Robb finally met up with Arya, who was right outside the whole time. I was looking forward to that scene for three whole episodes! I was 100 percent sure I had written it, too. I mean, who doesn’t want Arya to reunite with her family?

Then out of nowhere, boom! Catelyn Stark’s neck is sliced open with her firstborn son dead at her feet. And I suddenly remembered, “Oh, yeah! I did that.”

I think it was in Book Four. Or Book Three? One of those.

The worst part, though, was the moment right when I started to realize what I had written. It was after Lothar Frey went to the back of the room and closed those big doors and Catelyn Stark looked over at Roose Bolton and saw that he’s wearing chainmail under his nice clothes. That was the moment I thought, “Fuck, that’s right. I think I might kill off Robb Stark here.” And then I did! And boy, was it a hard to thing to watch, especially when I had also completely blanked on the fact his mom dies right after.

This fucking show, you know? One minute Robb Stark is solidifying his military power on his way to King’s Landing and the next he’s bleeding out on the floor. Just goes to show you can’t get too attached to any of my characters.

Hell, I’m still getting over the death of Ned Stark in Season One.

And even though it’s my responsibility as an author to protect the integrity of my novels at all costs, I have to admit that I personally wouldn’t have noticed if they’d completely changed the story at that point and the episode had ended happily. Hell, those books were written a long time ago; you can’t expect me to remember every last detail. Sure, I’m an executive producer on the show and they send me all the scripts on these things, but I never read them. Those things are full of spoilers.

At any rate, holy shit! I almost don’t want to see what I do next week. All I know is Tyrion better not get killed, because if he dies I’m done with this show, man. Done.
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Book 4, is going to be sick.

So I guess that's 2 years from now?
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wow.. such a turn of events... when the guy shut the doors, you kinda knew something was up, I mean.. why the heck would you close the door like that....
So the old man was mad Robb Stark didnt marry his daughter and decided to ally with the Lannisters... thats messed up...
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