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Old 07-30-2015, 02:10 PM   #676
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While logical, if the government imposed tolls on every bridge across the Fraser, there will most definitely be a riot.
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i take the bridge nearly every weekday. i am more than happy to pay the $3 in exchange for the time i save in commuting, $6 a month more makes little difference to me at all.
If you are using the bridge every weekday you aren't pay $6 a month. You are paying 6 bucks a day. AKA 240 bucks a month.

I ultimately don't give a fuck, I use the bridge less than 10 times a month. I don't even think twice about trying to re-route myself over the patullo, even if it might be just as feasible.

What does upset me is all these people saying "Toll every bridge in the region, that's more fair".

FUCK YOU. In your eyes im sure that does seem more fair, yet what you don't see is the fact that I spend my days crossing the 2nd narrows which is an ancient ass bridge, that now is backed up every fucking day because of how easily cars flow over the new port mann and through the lake stretch. I never used to deal with any traffic before this construction.

And the other most used crossing of mine is that ridiculous heap of shit 3 lane bridge, called the lions gate.

When I can get a bridge with atleast 4 lanes, then you can feel free to toll it. Until then just shut the fuck up, cause fairness is all a matter of perspective.
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lol i've yet to cross the new Port Mann
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lol i've yet to cross the new Port Mann
Same Have not crossed it yet. Nor Golden Ears
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If you are using the bridge every weekday you aren't pay $6 a month. You are paying 6 bucks a day. AKA 240 bucks a month.

I ultimately don't give a fuck, I use the bridge less than 10 times a month. I don't even think twice about trying to re-route myself over the patullo, even if it might be just as feasible.

What does upset me is all these people saying "Toll every bridge in the region, that's more fair".

FUCK YOU. In your eyes im sure that does seem more fare, yet what you don't see is the fact that I spend my days crossing the 2nd narrows which is an ancient ass bridge, that now is backed up every fucking day because of how easily cars flow over the new port mann and through the lake stretch. I never used to deal with any traffic before this construction.

And the other most used crossing of mine is that ridiculous heap of shit 3 lane bridge, called the lions gate.

When I can get a bridge with atleast 4 lanes, then you can feel free to toll it. Until then just shut the fuck up, cause fairness is all a matter of perspective.
lol, guy, read his post carefully - he's talking about the increase. He's already paying $240 a month. Extra 15 cents per crossing, 30 cents per day, 20 days a month, is 6 MORE dollars.

Also, I understand it's a rant (and I'd be pretty angry too if I had to sit in second-narrows traffic daily), but you aren't making any points. All you did there was, in all honesty, just bitch.

Vancouver is fucked, no matter how you look at it. Traffic sucks, and the best way to fix it, was to give more funding, but nobody wanted to do it because Translink is a shitshow. So what should we do, to quell your anger? Prohibit certain license plates from driving on certain days, ala China? Toll every bridge, tunnel, intersection?

Again, I understand your anger, but venting on a discussion forum without any actual discussion just makes you seem like an entitled ass.

I will agree with you however, with the Lions Gate part. Fuck that bridge.
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How do you get currently $240 a month?
$3 per way at 20 days is $120/month
Or you can get unlimited monthly pass for $150/month

$3.15 per way at 20 days is $126
I'm going to assume monthly pass is going to also go up 5% so it will be $157.50/month

nowhere close to $240 a month
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How do you get currently $240 a month?
$3 per way at 20 days is $120/month
Or you can get unlimited monthly pass for $150/month
Because when you cross the bridge I presume that you eventually plan to go home...
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Same Have not crossed it yet. Nor Golden Ears
i've never even SEEN the fucking Golden Ears bridge in my life lol

Oh man, Lion's Gate...people would have to pay me to go through that shitway
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Because when you cross the bridge I presume that you eventually plan to go home...
Assuming crossing only 20 working days a month
$3 1 way at 20 trips = $60
$3 at 40 trips (twice a day) = $120
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lol, guy, read his post carefully - he's talking about the increase. He's already paying $240 a month. Extra 15 cents per crossing, 30 cents per day, 20 days a month, is 6 MORE dollars.

Also, I understand it's a rant (and I'd be pretty angry too if I had to sit in second-narrows traffic daily), but you aren't making any points. All you did there was, in all honesty, just bitch.

Vancouver is fucked, no matter how you look at it. Traffic sucks, and the best way to fix it, was to give more funding, but nobody wanted to do it because Translink is a shitshow. So what should we do, to quell your anger? Prohibit certain license plates from driving on certain days, ala China? Toll every bridge, tunnel, intersection?

Again, I understand your anger, but venting on a discussion forum without any actual discussion just makes you seem like an entitled ass.

I will agree with you however, with the Lions Gate part. Fuck that bridge.
My post was a response to those who say that "every bridge or tunnel in the area should be tolled to make it fair".

It added to the discussion, because it forced you to respond to it.

I provided no solutions, because I don't have them, I'm just saying that if the government plans on trying to toll residents of the north shore, they better be damn well ready to do a lot more for us then give us 1 new seabus.

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Assuming crossing only 20 working days a month
$3 1 way at 20 trips = $60
$3 at 40 trips (twice a day) = $120
Sorry I got fucked up, because of the $6 in his post, you are correct $120 a month.

Look at that I just saved you fukers $120 a month. YOU"RE WELCOME!
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What I got from the last 10 posts:

-meme can't math
-all the other bridges suck
-604_boi doesn't cross any bridges

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I would support tolling everything if it was cheap. A buck per crossing would actually save me money by spreading the taxation around to everyone. I mean, if we're going to be socialists, then let's go all in.

I hate the tolls as they stand. I cross often, and it gets expensive at the end of the month. But it is nice to not have to sit in that traffic.

Then there is north van....
the iron workers, and the lions gate are archaic. I always get stuck there regardless of day or night.
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What I got from the last 10 posts:

-meme can't math
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Got it

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These idiots can't seem to realize that less people are taking their stupid bridge because the damn toll is a rip off. Let's increase it and watch even less people take it instead of decreasing the price to attract people.
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I personally would not mind paying a small toll fee to cross the bridges in the Lower Mainland if it meant that these bridges - specifically the Second Narrows, Knight Street, and Lions Gate - were expanded to fit more lanes of traffic...

Just comes with the costs of owning a car. Don't like it, take public transit.
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I don't mind tolls after going for a drive in the east coast.

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$14 to enter NYC
$43 to go from NJ to Washington DC
$9-13 from Markham to YYZ
Florida is reasonable around $1-$3

It's either higher tolls or property/sales taxes...
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Are those daily commutes?
NJ to NY is a daily commute for many people. $12.50 toll each way for the lincoln tunnel and other similar crossings.

With everyone saying "lower the price more people will use it" and variations thereof: you don't think that the people managing the bridge have done some sort of calculation, tracking, polling, etc. to determine where they set the price?

Yeah of course if they lower the toll to 50 cents everyone will take that bridge, but literally the number of cars on the bridge would have to increase 6 fold to make up the difference. I highly doubt that would happen.

Even then most cheapasses would still drive extra to go to the patullo, because they are dumb.

The $3 toll was not an arbitrary figure, and the cost increases are simply to account for inflation and the maintenance needs as the bridge and network infrastructure ages.

EDIT:

Actually thats a great point. Since december of 2013 tolls over the lincoln tunnel have gone from $8 to their current rate of $9.50 per crossing.

Now bare with me here, my math has failed me once today already:

9.50 vs 8 is an increase of 18% (And that's rounding favorably).

3.15 vs 3 is only an increase of 5%

So actually compared to most of NY you guys are way the fuck ahead. I'd shut the fuck up before those clowns at treo really pour the pain on.

MORE EDIT: I fucked up, don't know what data I was looking at, but here:

http://www.panynj.gov/bridges-tunnel...-2001-2015.pdf

It's actually even worse 11.00 vs 12.75 for a single vehicle with single rear tires. Thats a 16% difference still vs our 5%.
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NJ to NY is a daily commute for many people. $12.50 toll each way for the lincoln tunnel and other similar crossings.
It's actually $12.50 to enter, i believe exiting is free. And that price is only with an EZ pass which costs money and you need to choose a certain plan. Otherwise it's $14-15 now :O

I wouldn't mind a toll for all entry into the downtown core. Lions gate bridge is mostly used by West/North Vancouver residents who theoretically have higher income so I wouldn't mind that being tolled too. At the very least you'll see less civics revving down robson street.

But man it sucks for people living south of the fraser river. Patullo, George Massey Replacement bridge is all going to be tolled.
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NJ to NY is a daily commute for many people. $12.50 toll each way for the lincoln tunnel .....snip
The tolls for Holland and Lincoln are only 1 way, going into NYC. The price also decreases during off-peak hours.

Regardless, I'm all for faster commute time, even at a cost.
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The tolls for Holland and Lincoln are only 1 way, going into NYC. The price also decreases during off-peak hours.

Regardless, I'm all for faster commute time, even at a cost.
I vividly remember paying both ways (it was just this past august my memory ain't that bad). What the fuck. I must have pooched that. God damnit.

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This is:

#1 - an utterly blanket statement, which does not accurately portray all, or even the majority of the residents on the north shore. Where are you even comparing them to? Houses in north burnaby and most areas of vancouver are just as expensive as the north shore. Everyone seems to have this general idea that everyone on the shore lives in a mansion and we all just spend our days having high tea, and eating caviar. That's entirely incorrect.

#2 - The north shore paid for the lions gate already, the bridge was built by private funding, and was tolled until 1963. Then the government took it over, and even since then things like the lights were paid for privately. All the government has done is improvements and maintenance on the bridge.

#3 - The residents of north and west van already get hammered on fee's taxes, and many other things from which they see absolutely zero benefit. There is a growing movement to put an end to this shit. How much longer is the rest of vancouver going to punish the north shore for the simple fact that you perceive us to be wealthy?
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Because who the fuck would willingly pay to enter New Jersey?

And, yes, the tolls in Vancouver are diiiiiirt cheap compared to many places, NY especially. My dad just got back from NY, actually. He spent ~$200 in tolls in just over a week driving between NY and NJ.

Makes the $3.15 fee here sound almost pitiful, no?
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