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Old 11-20-2011, 08:33 PM   #551
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i'm thinking of applying for AF, and i'd love to fly a plane, but will i even have a chance with 0 flight experience?

otherwise i'll probably just go for one of the tech positions.
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i'm thinking of applying for AF, and i'd love to fly a plane, but will i even have a chance with 0 flight experience?

otherwise i'll probably just go for one of the tech positions.
To answer your question simply. Yes. Will you have less a chance than all the people with flight experience? Maybe, not sure how they 'pick' candidates to be honest.

If you want to do it, get your application in this month or next because they started processing them pretty soon.

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To answer your question simply. Yes. Will you have less a chance than all the people with flight experience? Maybe, not sure how they 'pick' candidates to be honest.

If you want to do it, get your application in this month or next because they started processing them pretty soon.

Do you have a degree?
i don't. so i'd be going to RMC probably. or do i need one to even apply?
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i don't. so i'd be going to RMC probably. or do i need one to even apply?
You might go to RMC or if you're lucky they'll let you go to a civilian university out here which is what i'm doing. No you don't need a degree, I'd suggest getting your degree through the military isntead of going Direct Officer Entry (what happens when you already have the degree), ask JD how that's going for him haha.
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haha ya, i've just read thru the whole thread. i feel bad for him. you'd think the DOE's would have an easier time of it haha.

guess there's nothing for it but to do it. i've started filling out the app. online, so i guess i'll finish it up and send it in and see where it goes.
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I'm basically fucked to be honest with you. If DEO slots don't open in April pilot is dead for me. I'm now talking to the US Navy and Marines. If I have to give up being an Officer to pursue a position like SARTech or another elite operations unit I might as well do it in the States where there are more positions available, bigger budgets, better equipment, and less bureaucratic clusterfucking.

In Canada right now if you want to be a pilot you have to get into RMC right out of highschool, or go ROTP and deal with the holding pattern. If you already have a degree the military won't find a spot for you over all the RMC and ROTP guys who are "in line" despite the fact that you are ready to go for training immediately. The backlog is over 600 people long and Bombardier is hoping to have 135 pilots trained for the RCAF in the next two years! The RCAF is going to run out of pilots and shit is going to hit the fan. It's inevitable, and we have the greed of Bombardier to thank for it.
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I'm basically fucked to be honest with you. If DEO slots don't open in April pilot is dead for me. I'm now talking to the US Navy and Marines. If I have to give up being an Officer to pursue a position like SARTech or another elite operations unit I might as well do it in the States where there are more positions available, bigger budgets, better equipment, and less bureaucratic clusterfucking.

In Canada right now if you want to be a pilot you have to get into RMC right out of highschool, or go ROTP and deal with the holding pattern. If you already have a degree the military won't find a spot for you over all the RMC and ROTP guys who are "in line" despite the fact that you are ready to go for training immediately. The backlog is over 600 people long and Bombardier is hoping to have 135 pilots trained for the RCAF in the next two years! The RCAF is going to run out of pilots and shit is going to hit the fan. It's inevitable, and we have the greed of Bombardier to thank for it.
This is partially the reason why I was discouraged to try DEO
I knew my chances would be low.

My other thought was RAF, since I'm British and have family in the armed forces there.
Anyone think that could be a viable option?
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The RAF has also been neutered of the federal government. They've had entire groups of cadets laid off. Some guys were literally 2-3 flights away from getting their wings when the RAF has stopped their training and laid them off. Not like they're getting a new posting but a "you're a civilian in 48 hours" notice. BRUTAL.
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^that is ridiculous.

if i can't get pilot i was looking at Aircraft structures tech, aviation systems tech and aviation telecommunication
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well I guess there's always commercial aviation....
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JD do you have american citizen ship then? The only thing that could make me live in the states is being a pilot there, their program is so much better and there's way more planes to fly.

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JD do you have american citizen ship then? The only thing that could make me live in the states is being a pilot there, their program is so much better and there's way more planes to fly.
No, so to be a SOCOM operative I would have to obtain it before I'd ever meet the security classifications. By the time I'm in and do my first tour I'd have all that taken care of. I wouldn't be allowed to try out for anything before I've completed a tour anyway.

Question now is whether to go Army, Marines, or Navy. Marines get all their Medics from the Navy so I think that rules out the Marines. FORCECON doesn't take on many of them anyway so it would be more difficult to get into FORCECON as a Navy Corpsman (Medic). Plus if I'm already in the Navy why not try out for the SEALS. I'm doing as much research and talking to as many people as I can right now so that come April I will have a solid backup plan in place to jump ship to the US should Canada not take me.
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you really did get the shit end of the stick in this whole situation didn't you =[
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i don't understand why they're valuing an applicant that wont even be able to start flight training for 2-4yrs over someone that you could throw at a hardvard right off the bat...

you'd think they would want to get thru the backlog of people that they can churn out into active duty the fastest first...

cost over time and all that.

cause i mean, for someone like me, no degree, no flight experience, i would think i would be at the bottom of the pile for sure.
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is there anything i should study for the aptitude tests or anything? or is it more of a cognitive test to see how much you're able to process at once?
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if i can't get pilot i was looking at Aircraft structures tech, aviation systems tech and aviation telecommunication
I'm one of those. Unfortunately, none of those trades are open right now. We just went through a huge AVN recruiting drive.
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well it would be a while before i reached the point of job entry anyway. i'd still have to do my schooling.
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Long division/multiplication by hand and in your head. You're not allowed a calculator.
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Long division/multiplication by hand and in your head. You're not allowed a calculator.
This is the biggest thing, it makes up the vast majority of the math (biggest) portion of the test. The English and spacial awareness you can't really study for though I would suggest looking over the mock exam to get an idea what you'll be up against. The spacial awareness portion gets extremely difficult.

I will without a doubt have to renounce my Canadian citizenship to make it anywhere in the US military. To get even a Secret clearance to join the Army Rangers you must be a US Citizen, no duals allowed. May be the route I take in April as it's the most natural feeder to the USAF PJ, SEALS, Green Berets, Delta Force, etc. Also in the Army Warrant Officers can fly rotaries, which means Apache's and Blackhawks aren't out of the question though a non-commissioned in an Apache is rare from what I gather.

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