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Not surprised at all with this.
What "upgrades" could they possibly do to these aircraft to give them more life? I thought they just did an update in 2010 to make them more effective?
Not surprised at all with this.
What "upgrades" could they possibly do to these aircraft to give them more life? I thought they just did an update in 2010 to make them more effective?
You cant convert a A/B model to a E/F can you?
No, can't convert them to E/F - but I am not sure if you can update to C/D standard? Maybe some replacement structural members to increase flying lifetime?
No, can't convert them to E/F - but I am not sure if you can update to C/D standard? Maybe some replacement structural members to increase flying lifetime?
They are already a C/D standard and have a lot of similar avionics from the E/F. I don't know what else they could upgrade, probably just another maintenance contract for parts and other supplies. Our current upgrades don't work for shit anyway and the installed JHMCS helmet is a piece of garbage. Integrating 1970s technology with something from the 2000's doesn't work. It's time to start with a new platform.
Updating airframes with over 7000 hours with "new" tech is a stop gap I'm sure.
Just waiting for the day when the news is covering a story of one of our fighters that had its wing snap off due to being so bloody old and far beyond its service life.
lol can anyone tell me exactly while people suck the dick of drones so hard? How is it that taking the pilot out of the plane and putting them in control room is going
to make the plane any less expensive? Drones are not cheaper than fighter jets. Cheap drones are cheaper than fighter jets! Imagine that, but cheap drones are
incapable of the same tasks that fighter jets are capable of. Air to air combat, supersonic flight, exceptional maneuverability, low observability, high payload, all these things that make fighter jets actually useful against opposing fighter jets, or for penetrating interdiction. You do not get these with cheap drones. You could definitely build an expensive drone to do those things, but you wouldn't save a fucking dime.
But you're not even talking about using drones to save money in any sensical way. I mean, you're suggesting that these manned fighters Canada is going to purchase will see no use (which makes no sense. Why lock your car if it's not in the process of being stolen hurr durr), but at the same time saying we should replace them with just as capable planes with ADVANCED AI? What? How is this saving money? If these fighters are never going to see use, why develop or buy these expensive drones that are better than them? How is not having an air force for "the next 25 years" (where did you get this number, dude?), and then dropping tons of cash on AI development, and the plane this AI needs to sit in smart at all? What is so special about these next some odd decades between now and when we have advanced AI controlled drones that we should not buy new fighter jets, but then after that period, buy the new drones? Do you think that having the plane controlled by AI makes it cheaper? That AI can take a cheap 50Kn engine and have it outperform a human controlled 100Kn?
Seriously, someone tell me why people keep saying drones drones drones, fighter jets are a waste.
The only thing modern "cheap" drones are good for (MQ-9 for example) is observation/CAS/interdiction in completely undefended airspace. They're great for dropping a couple missiles on some insurgents (as long as it's just a couple, and you don't have to be there quickly), but as soon as the enemy has any air defense, they're inferior to a fighter jet at doing anything. But of course, this IS the solution is it not? The last country we were at war with that had any air defense was North Korea perhaps? Be that as it may, it lacks any foresight to completely de-claw your military from being able to do anything to opposing fighter jets, or if the enemy has air defense. Are all important wars that require expensive planes completely telegraphed to the point where you can purchase a fleet, and train all the pilots in the time before you need them?
No, and that's why Canada should have a half decent fleet of fighter jets.
Also here's something fun for people that think man controlled drones > manned fighters. Did you know that RADAR jamming is pretty damn effective? Did you know that drones are controlled with radio waves? What do you think happens when the enemy has good RADAR jamming in an area you're trying to fly your drone in? lol
Ulic is obviously referring to sometime in the near future. With the exponential advances in technology since the advent of computing coupled with the fact that Moore's law is still accurate as a predictor for technology research his opinion/prediction I would imagine is not only widely believed but should prove to be relatively accurate.
Note that it was less than 50 years ago when we landed on the moon. Look at how far technology has progressed since then.
It's obvious that you've been harbouring this somewhat valid opinion for some time now however in this particular instance your rant is poorly placed.
lol can anyone tell me exactly while people suck the dick of drones so hard? How is it that taking the pilot out of the plane and putting them in control room is going
to make the plane any less expensive? Drones are not cheaper than fighter jets. Cheap drones are cheaper than fighter jets!
I am not just thinking in terms of cost. im thinking long term efficiency, INCLUDING their advancements.
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Originally Posted by Ash Eater
Imagine that, but cheap drones are
incapable of the same tasks that fighter jets are capable of. Air to air combat, supersonic flight, exceptional maneuverability, low observability, high payload, all these things that make fighter jets actually useful against opposing fighter jets, or for penetrating interdiction. You do not get these with cheap drones. You could definitely build an expensive drone to do those things, but you wouldn't save a fucking dime.
they will be more capable than any human pilot, before then end of current pilot's careers.
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Originally Posted by Ash Eater
But you're not even talking about using drones to save money in any sensical way. I mean, you're suggesting that these manned fighters Canada is going to purchase will see no use (which makes no sense. Why lock your car if it's not in the process of being stolen hurr durr), but at the same time saying we should replace them with just as capable planes with ADVANCED AI? What? How is this saving money? If these fighters are never going to see use, why develop or buy these expensive drones that are better than them? How is not having an air force for "the next 25 years" (where did you get this number, dude?), and then dropping tons of cash on AI development, and the plane this AI needs to sit in smart at all? What is so special about these next some odd decades between now and when we have advanced AI controlled drones that we should not buy new fighter jets, but then after that period, buy the new drones? Do you think that having the plane controlled by AI makes it cheaper? That AI can take a cheap 50Kn engine and have it outperform a human controlled 100Kn?
Seriously, someone tell me why people keep saying drones drones drones, fighter jets are a waste.
The only thing modern "cheap" drones are good for (MQ-9 for example) is observation/CAS/interdiction in completely undefended airspace. They're great for dropping a couple missiles on some insurgents (as long as it's just a couple, and you don't have to be there quickly), but as soon as the enemy has any air defense, they're inferior to a fighter jet at doing anything. But of course, this IS the solution is it not? The last country we were at war with that had any air defense was North Korea perhaps? Be that as it may, it lacks any foresight to completely de-claw your military from being able to do anything to opposing fighter jets, or if the enemy has air defense. Are all important wars that require expensive planes completely telegraphed to the point where you can purchase a fleet, and train all the pilots in the time before you need them?
No, and that's why Canada should have a half decent fleet of fighter jets.
Also here's something fun for people that think man controlled drones > manned fighters. Did you know that RADAR jamming is pretty damn effective? Did you know that drones are controlled with radio waves? What do you think happens when the enemy has good RADAR jamming in an area you're trying to fly your drone in? lol
you're too focused on the now.
i'm saying, it doesn't matter what you guys decide or argue about, within 15-25-50 years... they will replace all humans, because they will be cheaper, and more effective in every aspect. (f18 upgrades, f-35's, whatever... it is all to fill the gap between now and the real "upgrade").
i'm not talking about NOW. im talking about the future. 15-50 years isn't that far away.
and yeah like the other said, it was only 50 years ago we put a man on the moon, and it was only 100 years ago we even began to fly.
it's already for sure within 15 years, 1/3 current jobs will be replaced by robots.
i'm all for it. i'm all for robotics and AI replacing every task that can be prone to human error, which is basically every task.
replace all pilots with AI.
replace all workers with AI.
replace everything with AI.
the cost is not that cheap now, but it will only get cheaper and cheaper. and they'll get more and more effective.
both at an exponential rate. i hope you know what exponential means. it means before you blink, they'll be way better than what they are now. in ever single aspect.
think further ahead dude... the future. your car will drive itself. your plane will fly itself. ships will ship themselves. everything will be autonomous.
you're still thinking of putting pilots in control rooms... buddy, archaic. the AI will be fully autonomous. it will carry out the mission itself from step 1 to finish. it will refuel and rearm and repair itself, and fly back out without a human being touching it.
have you ever seen the warehouse of amazon.com? that's only within the past handful of years.
don't hate robotics and AI because they're gonna put you out of work... that's just the way it is. they're better than you are. and they will take over your job.
human management of anything, is becoming overrated. and at an exponential rate.
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Team BOOST - Thanks for the B1 pics. Saw one do a roll at low level in full burner at the Cold Lake Airshow in 2004. Way lower than shown below, blew my mind.
The drone thing is awesome in that video, that video is hard to watch though, had to fast forward to interesting bits. That's some crazy tech right there..
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Hey I'm meeting with a recruiter tomorrow to discuss options etc, specifically about joining the airforce to become a pilot after graduating from civilian university
Is there anything in particular I should ask/discuss? I already plan on asking about ROTP
Hey I'm meeting with a recruiter tomorrow to discuss options etc, specifically about joining the airforce to become a pilot after graduating from civilian university
Is there anything in particular I should ask/discuss? I already plan on asking about ROTP
How'd it go?
You've probably figured it out by now but since you'll have a degree you'll probably end up going the DEO route, not ROTP.
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I don't know how much longer it will last, but the Smithsonian channel on Telus OPTIK has been on free preview for a few weeks now. I've come across a number of great segments showcasing military aircraft and their uses through the decades. Worth checking out if anyone is interested.
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