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I must say that I feel A LITTLE bad for her for the amount of shaming she's brought onto herself and her family/friends. Who knew a couple pairs of jeans could ruin someone's life like this... I'm not sure how she's going to cope with this (changing her name, moving, etc etc), but this will stay with her for a LONG, LONG time.
The only negative that will come out of this is for those other morons that looted and destroyed our city but weren't caught, to look at this whole thing as a big joke and feel that they are invincible. Those are the ones that will keep being the shit stains of society and will eventually do stupid shit again when the opportunities arise.
I hope that the VPD will continue to track down, arrest, and charge as many of these idiots as they can, so that people out there will know that there are consequences to their actions and will think twice before "losing it in the moment" again.
shes not the worst one for sure, but they need to make an example out of people who do get caught in order to curb the same behavior if theres a next time.
I understand that people are pissed off, but I don't think someone should be fired for an offence if it is unrelated to their job or job performance, ESPECIALLY if they have not even been convicted for said offence.
True. Though keep in mind that police agencies hardly do criminal record checks (charges and convictions) anymore; they do POLICE record checks. A police record check is much broader in scope and captures all NEGATIVE police contact you've had regardless of whether you were convicted or even charged.
In fact, it's probably in this girl's interest to, at the very least, get charged. There are means to overcome a charge and/or conviction (destruction of criminal records, pardon, etc.). These essentially wipe the slate clean. However, there is no easy recourse if she remains a SUSPECT or a SUSPECT CHARGEABLE. That will show up on every police record check.
So for her, working in retail (as the receptionist, I assume she'd have the opportunity to collect payments for service/repairs), a charge/conviction (or being suspected) of theft or a break&enter/trespass would definitely negatively affect her and her job prospects.
^I agree with him. Lynch mobs are not good. We are bypassing that you are innocent unless proven in a court of law.
I mean, I love that these idiots are getting busted. But I'm a staunch believer in protecting our civil rights.
I mean look at that jason li kid. He became a target of RS'ers wrath.
Instead of him having the chance to come out and appologize look at him now, expelled on last day of school, he can't graduate will probably never get a job again. And this was before criminal charges were pressed.
We are breeding worse citizens by putting him in these positions and not giving them the proper chance to rehabilitate.
just my 2 cents.
If Jason Li didn't do what he did, let alone have that stupid picture taken, then he wouldn't be feeling as much wrath as he is feeling now. He has a chance to apologize, but that won't change anything. Take a look at Camille Cacnio, apology done - still feeling the wrath of her actions. Sometimes apologies aren't enough to redeem your actions and a prime example are these people responsible for the riots.
Civil rights is great. However, each citizen has a responsibility to society and I'm sure one of them isn't to destroy shit when a hockey team loses. Therefore, he deserves all the heat that he is getting and so does every person who is pointed out in these riots.
Rehabilitation...he can go through that process at this time as he is feeling the heat. The amount of pressure that the city is putting on these people is perfect because they will now realize that they can never pull off shit like this again. If us citizens did nothing, they would give a lame apology and all would be good. Luckily we aren't lazy and many of us believe that justice still needs to be served. You probably have a different view on this but he needs to receive this punishment in order to rehabilitate CORRECTLY for a better result down the long run.
Summary - Jason Li deserves everything that he is getting and so does every rioter found responsible for damage. He doesn't deserve to graduate and move on to the next step of society without repercussions. No excuses, no exceptions.
We are breeding worse citizens by putting him in these positions and not giving them the proper chance to rehabilitate.
We are setting an example for the next would be rioters, thus preventing this from happening again. Next time people will know they will face more than just the repercussions of the court, they will be publicly shamed in a manner that affects their schooling, work, hobbies, family, ...
I am all for throwing a few dogs to the wolves to prevent this from ever happening again.
We are setting an example for the next would be rioters, thus preventing this from happening again. Next time people will know they will face more than just the repercussions of the court, they will be publicly shamed in a manner that affects their schooling, work, hobbies, family, ...
I am all for throwing a few dogs to the wolves to prevent this from ever happening again.
If Jason Li didn't do what he did, let alone have that stupid picture taken, then he wouldn't be feeling as much wrath as he is feeling now. He has a chance to apologize, but that won't change anything. Take a look at Camille Cacnio, apology done - still feeling the wrath of her actions. Sometimes apologies aren't enough to redeem your actions and a prime example are these people responsible for the riots.
Civil rights is great. However, each citizen has a responsibility to society and I'm sure one of them isn't to destroy shit when a hockey team loses. Therefore, he deserves all the heat that he is getting and so does every person who is pointed out in these riots.
Rehabilitation...he can go through that process at this time as he is feeling the heat. The amount of pressure that the city is putting on these people is perfect because they will now realize that they can never pull off shit like this again. If us citizens did nothing, they would give a lame apology and all would be good. Luckily we aren't lazy and many of us believe that justice still needs to be served. You probably have a different view on this but he needs to receive this punishment in order to rehabilitate CORRECTLY for a better result down the long run.
Summary - Jason Li deserves everything that he is getting and so does every rioter found responsible for damage. He doesn't deserve to graduate and move on to the next step of society without repercussions. No excuses, no exceptions.
she's feeling the wrath because of everything she typed outside of her apology. had she ended her blog post with the first section, she might have been okay.
We are setting an example for the next would be rioters, thus preventing this from happening again. Next time people will know they will face more than just the repercussions of the court, they will be publicly shamed in a manner that affects their schooling, work, hobbies, family, ...
I am all for throwing a few dogs to the wolves to prevent this from ever happening again.
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yup, pretty much.
More than "pretty much" - this is the ENTIRE point.
Society is sick of watching the legal system from the outside and feeling helpless when they see people walk away from the rules (written or not) that keep us all civilized. This is a golden chance for EVERYONE to be involved, regardless of what the anemic court system does, and everyone is jumping on the chance.
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those kids were talking real loud going "my civic right here got vtec si yo, it'll smoke ur celica." his buddy responds "well yeah once i learn how to drive manual ur done."
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speaking of setting examples for future potential riots.
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Anti-Olympic rioters who smashed windows in downtown Vancouver during the 2010 Winter Games have mostly walked out of B.C. courts without so much as a slap on the wrist.
Only a handful of the violent protesters were charged 16 months ago and even the accused ringleader has since escaped court-imposed punishment.
I understand that people are pissed off, but I don't think someone should be fired for an offence if it is unrelated to their job or job performance, ESPECIALLY if they have not even been convicted for said offence.
but wouldn't that type of behavior be related to her job performance as in her ability to behave like a professional ? like how can you count on this person if shes doing shit like that? she represents your company image to everyone she comes in contact with. I think that is a legit reason to fire someone but then again that is just my opinion.
I'm eagerly awaiting Captain Christie Clark's promised throwing of books at people.
What are you gonna do? A-if the law isn't in place when the crime is committed, its a little hard to punish them with it. B-you can't get blood from a stone. These kids are mostly 17-22 ish from what I see, except for some of the drunk older fucks playing along. At best, you might get a few checks from mommy and daddy from some. Most will go uncollected-if! if! you can pass burden of proof in court.
This civil litigation that London Drugs is talking about will cost more than re-couped by a long shot.
Ultimately, 2 things will come:
1-the people caught on camera will have justice served right here through being outed on the internet. How many have lost their jobs/scholarships and such thus far?
2-we'll learn next time not to invite 150,000 drunk people downtown for a hockey game. Oh, and for the next 15 years, we'll slowly start easing the reins on public events. Guaranteed we'll be armed to the tits for fireworks(if that even happens-you never know with them. )
but wouldn't that type of behavior be related to her job performance as in her ability to behave like a professional ? like how can you count on this person if shes doing shit like that? she represents your company image to everyone she comes in contact with. I think that is a legit reason to fire someone but then again that is just my opinion.
Not if there is no history of that type of behaviour AT WORK.
I'm eagerly awaiting Captain Christie Clark's promised throwing of books at people.
What are you gonna do? A-if the law isn't in place when the crime is committed, its a little hard to punish them with it. B-you can't get blood from a stone. These kids are mostly 17-22 ish from what I see, except for some of the drunk older fucks playing along. At best, you might get a few checks from mommy and daddy from some. Most will go uncollected-if! if! you can pass burden of proof in court.
This civil litigation that London Drugs is talking about will cost more than re-couped by a long shot.
Ultimately, 2 things will come:
1-the people caught on camera will have justice served right here through being outed on the internet. How many have lost their jobs/scholarships and such thus far?
2-we'll learn next time not to invite 150,000 drunk people downtown for a hockey game. Oh, and for the next 15 years, we'll slowly start easing the reins on public events. Guaranteed we'll be armed to the tits for fireworks(if that even happens-you never know with them. )
Yea, I stated a few pages back I'm not too concerned what happens in court. There's video and footage on the Internet linked to these peoples names that will forever haunt them. To me, that's much better than any type of imprisonment. Anything handed down by court of law will just be the cherry on the top.
Hopefully it's a big cherry though, as I still believe they should get punished. Posted via RS Mobile
I had no issue with how the police officers dealt with the rioters during the Guns n Roses concert. Many of my friends were ushers at GM Place and when the crowd starts throwing steel barricades at the windows, how do you expect the police to react?
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Not if there is no history of that type of behaviour AT WORK.
but honestly, business is just business. I'd like to think I'd take the high road and stay loyal to my employees - but if all she was to me was a receptionist, and I would receive TONS of bad press because everybody is calling to have her fired, I think I would just tell her, thanks, but maybe you should go find another job.
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Wow fuck the riot and everyone involved. TDF has been cancelled from the Pacific Colosseum and moved to Gossip.... and Shogun dropped out. And an official statement saying that the city didn't grant extended hours for TDF due to the cup riots.
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he did NOT say that.....
