School speed zone boundaries Was wondering if anybody knows what are the actual boundaries of a school speed zone? It can be pretty confusing when you see a school that have signs for example two blocks away from the school if you are heading east and a sign that's about 25 meters before the school boundaries heading north? Driving paranoid around schools now with all the news on the tube about police crackdowns and speed traps I've been seeing :okay: |
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I was always under the impression it was from sign to sign. |
The sign in the ground is the actual start of the zone, the zone finishes at the sign in the ground that is turned away from you as it shows the start of the zone to cars coming towards you. Some areas have "school zone ends" signs on the backs of those signs to make it easier. Like all speed limit signs, the zones start and finish at the actual sign post...unless you are inside a municipality where they don't need to display actual signs. |
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And why are there no requirements to notify drivers of new school zones? I was on one road the other day and I am familiar with the school zone along one segment of it and always prepare to slow down before the sign. However, prior to reaching this zone there is another school which just had new school zone signs put in. No advance notification of a traffic pattern change or anything. I drive the route regularly and wasn't expecting to see the sign there. Paying attention to the car not slowing down for the yield sign across the intersection, it wasn't until the last second that I saw the school zone sign. Fortunately I already had my foot on the brake for the car blowing the yield sign so bringing the car down by 20kph for the new school zone sign wasn't too much of a problem. But I can see how installing a school zone speed limit on a section of road where drivers aren't used to seeing one would be a good revenue generator for a cash strapped province. Could someone please remind me why middle school students, who are now old enough to receive drug and sex-education need me to slow to a crawl? ;) |
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Where I live, they only put 30 k limits for elementary and junior kids and then only on smaller non-arterial roads. High schoolers get the blue warning sign but no regulatory signs underneath. The worst problem with school kids here is the ones from the high school who run across 4 lanes of arterial traffic instead of using the pedestrian activated traffic lights at either end of the block they are crossing, on their way to 7-11 & Subway at the end of the block. :( |
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This idea that traffic fines are used as revenue generators is idiotic in the extreme. If people actually followed the signs, there'd be no more fines, and no more income stream - the whole concept is self-defeating. Plus, if they were really serious about making money from it, I could suggest a few locations where they could really clean up... like at Lougheed Hwy. westbound and Dewdney Trunk Rd., just before the Pitt River Bridge: the right-turn light for Dewdney turns red, and EVERY SINGLE TIME, there are as least three or four cars in BOTH LANES that flow right on through. Sometimes you can even see the driver look left before flying through the red, to see if he has space before the cars on Lougheed THAT ARE ALREADY MOVING. And now there's the new bus-only lane there on Lougheed that drivers are regularly using as a "cheat lane" at that light - there are at least two or three sitting waiting there every time I stop at that light these days. If it was all about cash grabs, the cops would be sitting there on a daily basis and probably have the provincial debt erased in a week. If cops really did have "quotas" they could fill them in a day by watching that intersection. |
Moscrop secondary school is the only high school I know of so far that gets the 30km/h Posted via RS Mobile |
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If it's not about money, then perhaps suspend a speeder's licence for 24hrs instead of fine them. Just a thought. And just for the record, my views on "go with the flow" go out the window in school and playground zones. That's why notice of a change of traffic patterns would be nice. A sign will do, no need for an engraved plaque. I am curious however as to how many "following too closely" tickets are issued in school and playground zones? |
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Every time I read sebberry's posts, I just refer back to his user title and then I don't feel so bad. |
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We don't separate Junior High and High here, so those schools which service both the younger and older punks have school zone signs. As one of my friends once said; "They really need the signs more at Highschools--when you're a little kid you know that you have to follow the rules. When you get to highschool you think you rule the world." |
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If photo radar worked, it would be a money losing program. Arizona budget shortfall, traffic cameras to raise revenue Quote:
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If you drop a speed limit and enforce the new limit, then you really should be posting a "NEW" sign ahead of it to alert drivers of the change. |
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When I hauled long distance, I could not rely on anything else but MYSELF to make sure I didn't break any of the "rules" while driving. I was ALWAYS in new cities, towns and areas where I had to pay attention to EACH and EVERY sign to know what I could and could not do. You see, this is driving with...yes...I will say it again....."due care and attention".....and the way we all should drive...all the time! The minute you get "complacent" about your driving (and this can be caused by driving the same road....over and over and over again), your attention suffers. Part of the art of driving is paying attention....ALWAYS..... EVEN if you are driving 200 feet from home! |
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It was very interesting, I remember listening to a guy who was petitioning to have yellow lights extended either provincewide or throughout the Lower Mainland. He was saying that red light cameras and red light fines (as given by police officers) were unfair and that yellow lights should be made longer. It was on CBC, and someone asked him what the result would be if they were to be extended. His answer? "Well then I could be through and gone before it turns red!" A very interesting answer, given that I would expect the answer of "Then I'd see it further ahead and be able to stop!" It seems as though that guy, who speaks for people who want extended yellow lights, is not interested in using yellows as a warning for reds, but as an extended green. Not following either the letter or the spirit of the law. Why should the laws be changed for people who seem not to want to pay attention to it regardless? Quote:
Say what you want about urban centres and transit, but unless you live near a hub and/or near a major line, transit is as useless as tits on a bull. And there's no way to get your kids to sports or parents/sick family members to a doctor, especially with the cost of taxis. So here's the problem: laws don't make people more moral. In theory, people should treat each other fairly and well, both off and on the road. That those who are slow should move to the side and those that are fast move around them without freaking them out. Unfortunately, 'cause some people are assholes, we need to put in place enforcement measures. Personally, I'd prefer things like speed cameras (especially given that they generally put up signage before them) to things like GPS chips embedded in our cars which limit our speed to the legal maximum. You say the laws are inadequate, and I say that you are not incorrect, but that changing it to any one individual's preferences will do nothing more than fuck up the system even worse. Quote:
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Just a sidenote, how does one have a new school zone declared without a new school being built? How did you not notice that much construction? |
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From a safety perspective, don't you think it would be a good idea to alert drivers to the fact that younger children will be present in the area before the first day of school? |
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The week before school starts, the newspapers, tv and radio are constantly announcing that school is starting and to make sure you obey the school zone speed limits! As a driver, it is YOUR responsibility to KNOW what is what, when is when and combining those two....what and when. We can't all drive with an adviser with us in the car. |
Not too far away from me an entire new intersection was built. Where there were no traffic lights before, there are now traffic lights. People have been sitting in construction for two months as the new intersection was being built, paved, painted, etc... Most people probably probably saw quite well that new traffic lights went in. They had 20 minutes twice a day to sit in traffic watching them go in after all. But guess what, ahead of it all there's a tiny little sign advising people that there are new traffic lights ahead. As for why I didn't see the school zone sign - 1) There's never been one there before. 2) I was more concerned with a car blowing the FU%#*^! yield sign than looking for signs that were never before there. Any other day I would have seen the sign in advance. |
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Do me a favor - when there are two busses waiting at a stop and passing traffic can't see the right hand turn signal of the front bus, don't sit there with your 4-ways on. I can't tell if you're sitting or signalling to pull into traffic. Drives me nuts. |
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Drives you nuts? How can you drive somewhere if you're there already? :fullofwin: PS: Don't take offense....was said as a joke....I have a tough time leaving good opportunities like that alone! :D |
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Contact Us Talk to someone regarding this. It holds much more "water" if a motorist puts forward a point like this than a regular "bus" driver. It is a VERY valid point...and can be solved by a policy of ONLY the most rearward bus requires 4 ways. If there are three buses, only the third one needs 4 ways (if required). I am actually in shock......a point coming from you that I actually agree on! :D (again...said jokingly)! |
^ the bus thing I agree with. Definitely have slowed down many times unnecessarily because I thought a bus was pulling out, only to find out they had their hazard lights on. |
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