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Old 12-01-2013, 01:27 PM   #426
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what's the price
Just curious compared to normal test
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Old 12-02-2013, 12:30 PM   #427
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It's $140 per pack of two bottles for the androgel pump.
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Old 12-13-2013, 05:43 PM   #428
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Aware me if I'm incorrect on any of this stuff. Also let me know what other common substances I've glossed over. So much reading. But that's a good thing. Can u guys help me clarify the difference on the last two?


Deca durabolin: anabolic steriod, increases levels of nandrolene. promotes muscle growth, development of hemoglobin and red blood cells, and nitrogen. retention. Does not convert into estrogen
Hcg: hormone from pregnant woman (or horses even...) synthersises the production of testosterone. Prevents shrinking of testes
Arimidex: prevents the testosterone in your body reverting to estrogen, controls bloating and helps prevent gyno
D-bol: oral anabolic steroid. Usually used the first two weeks or so to kick start test levels. Very hard on kidneys/liver
Test enth: testosterone enthanate, half life of ~10 days. Very versatile and good all rounder
Anavar: oral steroid, not as anabolic or androgenic as d-bol. Easier on the organs. Not as strong
Windstrol: synthetic AAS, latches onto natural test and makes it go 'farther'. Less water retention, usually stacked with dbol
Clovis: block estrogen receptors
Nolvadex: blocks estrogen receptors
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Old 12-13-2013, 05:50 PM   #429
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Whoops i think I may have mixed up the deca and dbol or wtv. Derp
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Old 12-13-2013, 06:59 PM   #430
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yeah that is more or less correct, there is one thing just looking up gear and seeing what it does, The main factor is every body is different and responds to things allot different. Some people don't need to run ai's on cycle and come off allot easier then people. As how you described anavar as being not as strong, To some people anavar and test is nutty and can make major gains off that.

A good way to look at it is also growing up did u have ance, where you fat did u have gyno when going threw puberty ect, these are little things that can come back while on. If you are healthy and haven no health problems you should see no sides from a mild cycle. But then again some people get crazy sides off test alone
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Old 12-13-2013, 07:24 PM   #431
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I've been reading this alot too. Good info First Cycle - Planned Carefully - Need Advice/Tips from Knowledgable Members

I never had acne or anything, but definitely chubbier. Strong love handles and moobs LOL but not gyno. I'd have to continue with a heavy cut for many months before even considering a cycle. Another question though. Assume you do a 12 week cycle + 4 week pct, what's the usual time before guys jump into a new cycle? I assume you want to give your body plenty of time to return to its natural balance.

I am an open person, so i brought up this whole subject with my SO. She says if it's done properly and very controlled, she doesn't have too much of a problem with it. But wants me to go as far natty as i can first (good advice)
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some say cycle time plus pct times 2 for time off
Others just say blast and cruise really gotta know if u want to do it for rest of life or lifting career
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or just do once a year come off and try and get back to your gains when u where on
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Old 12-13-2013, 07:51 PM   #434
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Lol chasing the dragon
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I'm doing equal time off to time on. Blasting again in January.

Test/deca/dbol with Tren at the end.

320icar I didn't see Tren in your list.
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Old 12-13-2013, 10:18 PM   #436
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That's right, i had it down but googling provided way too much bullshit so i forgot to go back and research LOL
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Aware me if I'm incorrect on any of this stuff. Also let me know what other common substances I've glossed over. So much reading. But that's a good thing. Can u guys help me clarify the difference on the last two?


Deca durabolin: anabolic steriod, increases levels of nandrolene. promotes muscle growth, development of hemoglobin and red blood cells, and nitrogen. retention. Does not convert into estrogen converts to something worse, progestin most people are sensitive to this unless your BERZ. Do EQ instead of decca cuz it doesn't aromatise to estrogen or progestin
Hcg: hormone from pregnant woman (or horses even...) synthersises the production of testosterone. Prevents shrinking of testesJust promotes LH signal in your testes to kickstart natural test production ( has diminishing returns to a extent) also using too much will elevate ur estrogen higher than test will
Arimidex: prevents the testosterone in your body reverting to estrogen, controls bloating and helps prevent gynoIf you use an AI , use Aromasin instead its a suicide inhibitor and has a less chance of crashing e2 levels. Arimidex can crash e2 very easily and arimidex fucks with lipids. Also aromasin increases Free test levels and igf1 levels
D-bol: oral anabolic steroid. Usually used the first two weeks or so to kick start test levels. Very hard on kidneys/liver Only use this if you wanna get big & strong FAST
Test enth: testosterone enthanate, half life of ~10 days. Very versatile and good all rounder base of any cycle
Anavar: oral steroid, not as anabolic or androgenic as d-bol. Easier on the organs. Not as strong Real anavar can still be very liver toxic at dosages oves 60mg ED. Anavar + test = godlike strength gainz
Windstrol: synthetic AAS, latches onto natural test and makes it go 'farther'. Less water retention, usually stacked with dbol Winstrol is garbage, its used mainly by competitors to DRAIN your water out.. just drys you out and kills your joints.. better shit to do that the freeing of the test you get out of winny only lasts 2 weeks, better to use PROV or aromasin
Clovis: block estrogen receptors clovis... you wot m8? you mean CLOMID>?!?
Nolvadex: blocks estrogen receptors Only blocks estrogen receptors in your tits

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tren anadrol and var
And some test e
Might as well sign up for olympia
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Not without slin
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Lol, if you want puffy 'slin gut
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Slin doesn't give you gut. GH does.
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People that are more resistant to the effects of insulin will start to accumulate fat in the abdomen area. When you first gain fat there it starts around your internal organs, which can make the abdomen protrude. Then you'll start gaining it sub Q, giving you a gut. Some people get it worse than others. It's basically a combo of being insulin resistant, having an androgenic body fat distribution, using highly androgenic anabolic steroids, and insulin.
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also eating allot while on slin will get that belly big
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I just think it looks hilarious. Those guys have immense core strength and really cut abs, but ontop of a 7 month preggo belly.

Much lols
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Fuck it. In the spring if i do a successful cut and base routine, ill do a cycle if i can source everything
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theres this new prop/tren-ace blend going around... suppose to be the shit so tempted
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That would be an EOD type thing would it not? I'm doing enanthate of test and tren. I'm not down with EOD. To hectic to try and do with my current life.
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i am thinking a VAR only cycle to start off small.. I take SLIN anyway.. so it should work really well together. My question is should I have NOLVA on hand incase of anything? and should i be taking aromasin through the cycle and then for 3 weeks after i come off with a over the counter natural test booster? I have been contemplating this for some time and am a little nervous because i am a type 1 diabetic lol.. anyways your thoughts would be great.

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