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Rich from your posts it's obvious your an advocate for Crossfit. Seeing as your the only one here who likes/does it why not cut your losses and stop arguing for it.
Crossfit does NOTHING better than any other workout. You can get better results FASTER and EASIER by following a Strength Building program or an Endurance Program. Mixing Strength Workouts one day and Endurance Workouts another is far more beneficial than combining the two into a sloppy hyped up race against the clock.
OH and for the record that fitness challenge I participated in the gymnast girls were doing those fucking kipping pullups. It doesn't even take any strength your just using momentum on an axis to propel your body over the bar.
There is no right or wrong.
If you enjoy it, then all the power to you. I think what irks people though is the fact they are claiming that "crossfit" is the best way to get strong and build endurance. Crossfit comes across as "holier than thou" and they are preying on peoples lack of knowledge to convert them to a system that, by design, offers nothing of benefit over conventional strength and endurance training. Sure it mixes things up and if that's what you need to keep yourself interested in working out congrats but don't let it fool you into thinking that it's the best, easiest, or blah blah way to get in shape because it's not.
In fact it's actually detrimental to building muscle and I would say your risk of injury is substantially higher doing those retard lifts and timing yourself. With fatigue comes poor form, with poor form comes injury.
I wouldn't go as far as to say advocate. I enjoy doing the workouts myself and totally understand people using other methods.
What I don't understand is people such as yourself thinking you have the RIGHT way and EVERYONE has to do it that way to achieve the arbitrary results that you would like to see.
By posting crossfit stuff I am not saying I think it is the ONLY way to train, it is just another way that I find joy doing. Your OPINION may be different than mine, but that doesn't make me wrong.
What results are we talking about here?
Strength? Not crossfit.
Cardio? Not crossfit.
Oh wait, I got it...
Being able to kip lots. Crossfit.
My OPINION is that Crossfit is retarded and has nonsensical programming. It encourages a cult-like environment that in of itself wouldn't be so bad except that it's indoctrinated in everyone's mind that no pain is no gain. This is detrimental, especially to noobs, when they hurt themselves doing stupid shit like olympic lifts for time.
We get it. You think crossfit is cool and want to spread the word. That's your prerogative.
We think it's retarded and will do anything to dissuade people from doing it.
I don't know much about Crossfit but I am an avid gym goer. I think if people see Crossfit as a sport rather than a method of training the body that can possibly replace going to a regular gym, then there would be less hate for Crossfit.
Let's use ballet as an example. Dance is a sport. Most guys would find it gay and hate it. But if they try it, then they'll see how difficult and taxing on the body it is to jump and kick to music all the while making it look easy.
Like any sport, some people will like it and some people won't.
I was actually training with someone at the time who had been training at gym jones in the states.
You're right - it isn't really a 'workout', more of a challenge. In fact the first one I posted is a challenge too.
So are 1 minute all-out sprints on the airdyne.
One thing I will mention, from personal experience training in this way I noticed SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENT in my athletic performance. It was quite noticeable, especially for sports where you start/stop and sprint, followed by hitting.
My recovery time also rapidly improved.
But, i do agree with Berz and Skinnypup - Strength training and cardio are ALSO EFFECTIVE. Which is why I continue to strength train and only do the crossfit type stuff a few months per year.
But I will say this: I have not ever been so close to my physical and mental endurance limits as I was when I was training like that.
Jesus wow a lot of these guys are just killing the tendons/cartilage in their knee.
They might not feel the damage now but wait until these guys hit 50+. They are going to suffer some serious arthritis.
You don't trust me? Film yourself and show your doctor.