Fuck everything about this. The Conservatives on tracking internet usage

[7seven]

Originally Posted by Mr.HappySilp

^^ Actually we receive E-mails from Movie and Music industry everyday claiming so and so is on our network downloading this and that using this IP which is illegal please give us their info. WE always just deleted those E-mails.

In fact once in a blue they would actually call us demanding those info. We simply tell them go to the police and let them deal with it coz we are no way giving our customer info to anyone but police with warrants. Give this new law, we have to comply and give those info out without a warrant which means it is A LOT easier for anyone to obtain your surfing habits and what you have been downloading.

This law does nothing for the typical customers but rather give those with money even more power over us.

Actually this is incorrect, under the Lawful Access Legislation, rights holders such as film studios and record labels would still be required to go to the police. ISP would only have to give up basic subscriber info such as IP address, email address and phone number to police, not directly to rights holders or any other third parties that request or come fishing for that information.

[falcon]

Originally Posted by Over9K

Eh, dunno what the issue is with it really.

You guys hiding something?

What a narrow minded way of thinking. It has nothing to do with hiding anything, and everything to do with my personal right to privacy.

[mr_chin]

who gives a shit about sopa, who gives a shit about acta and this.

im still gonna use the internet the way i have always use it. majority of our population will still use it the way they always did.

if they come knocking on our doors and give us a court date, then be it.

[ilovebacon]

Bad boy, bad boy. What u gonna do when they come for u^
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[Psykopathik]

fuck it, buy a pay as you go data stick and download all the illegal shit you want.

[Over9K]

Originally Posted by falcon

What a narrow minded way of thinking. It has nothing to do with hiding anything, and everything to do with my personal right to privacy.

Lay off the child porn, Mr. I have my rights.

[hillmar]

Just wait till they start to put microchips in our babies, and using a excuse that its only for their protection.

[Manic!]

My internet routers are unsecured and and always will be.

[Lyzic]

Everyone is getting all ramped up about something that already happens.

Currently, telecom companies can provide the personal information of customers on a voluntary basis. Companies turn over the information to law enforcement agencies in about 95 per cent of cases

Proposed bill for expanded online surveillance hit by critics

If you think the police have the time to track every single person on the Internet, then they have the time to follow every single criminal out there. I think don't have the manpower for it at all.

Reading more about this, it's meant to standardize Internet policing across the country. All of the real-time monitoring will still require a warrant, which is the same as if the police tapped your phones. Watching The Wire it looks like it's hard to get, and a shitload of work. So I don't think you have to worry about them monitoring you watching tranny porn in the basement.

[LIKEABOSS]

Originally Posted by taylor192

No they could not. Stop spreading misinformation from ill informed conspiracy theories and privacy whackos. The police will need a warrant to access this information. It will not be looked at otherwise. If you're a suspect for a bombing, well you've got other issues.

All my internet activities at work are already logged and only looked at if there is an issue at work. This is the same idea, just at home or mobile. Your records will not be accessed unless you do something wrong.

So the correct example would be: If you built a bomb they could determine you've been on the internet looking up how to build bombs.

This is just the beginning to get their foot in the door. Legislation like this are used to get people used to the idea that there are "terrorists" and "pedophiles" lurking everywhere and the need for more intrusive government. They will then progressively broaden SOPA-like measures because there are "so many evil people out there" that any legal restriction becomes an impediment to public safety.

It's really scary that governments around the world are taking America's lead in becoming ever more repressive. I suspect that in due time, the Canadian government will pass legislation similar to what Obama recently passed (a provision within NDAA-2012) that allows the government to INDEFINITELY DETAIN any SUSPECTED "terrorists" or "communists" or whatever the flavour-of-the-month happens to be.

I think we are heading into really dark times. And I think one of the major reasons why governments are doing what they are doing is because they are preparing for a possible world-wide economic meltdown to the scale of the Great Depression. But I digress.

But props to OP for bringing up important issues like this for RS members to deliberate on.

[SupraTTturbo2jz]

fuckers, trying to control us slowly. There are bigger issues to be concerned about than child pornography. It's a small majority im guessing ( old men/some young ) that are sick enough to look at that. No matter what the outcome is, someone will always figure out a way to bypass the stupid laws and do that stuff with stealth. They can only try to prevent.

[TurboFC3S]

Conservatives at it once again ... I must say wow thats BS (Read the article) this was briefly brought up at my union meeting tonight


While on the topic of the conservatives and privacy....If your in a Trade Union, read this bill that the conservatives are trying to pass right now

http://www.parl.gc.ca/content/hoc/Bi..._1/C-317_1.PDF

This bills intended to make Union members salaries , pension, benefits, basically all personal financial information (including names, age etc.) / union financial information + more all public knowledge, its on its 3rd reading right now.

I certainly don't want all my personal and financial info public. Id like to see Harper will open his office books, or tell Canadians how much money him and his family are wasting on holidays paid for by us, the taxpayers. Fuckers.

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by LIKEABOSS

This is just the beginning to get their foot in the door. Legislation like this are used to get people used to the idea that there are "terrorists" and "pedophiles" lurking everywhere and the need for more intrusive government. They will then progressively broaden SOPA-like measures because there are "so many evil people out there" that any legal restriction becomes an impediment to public safety.

They have a majority, they could knock the fucking door down if they wanted to.

I hate conspiracy theorists. Not everyone is out to get you.

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by TurboFC3S

Conservatives at it once again ... I must say wow thats BS (Read the article) this was briefly brought up at my union meeting tonight


While on the topic of the conservatives and privacy....If your in a Trade Union, read this bill that the conservatives are trying to pass right now

http://www.parl.gc.ca/content/hoc/Bi..._1/C-317_1.PDF

This bills intended to make Union members salaries , pension, benefits, basically all personal financial information (including names, age etc.) / union financial information + more all public knowledge, its on its 3rd reading right now.

I certainly don't want all my personal and financial info public. Id like to see Harper will open his office books, or tell Canadians how much money him and his family are wasting on holidays paid for by us, the taxpayers. Fuckers.

If I belonged to a union, especially in Canada where I cannot opt out, you bet I want to see what my union members are paid and how my compulsory union dues are being used.

This is a GREAT bill for everyone in a union. Maybe union dues will come down once members see how they are being spent.

[carisear]

Originally Posted by TurboFC3S

I certainly don't want all my personal and financial info public. Id like to see Harper will open his office books, or tell Canadians how much money him and his family are wasting on holidays paid for by us, the taxpayers. Fuckers.

to my knowledge you can find out exactly how much the PM makes and spends ... freedom of information act? things like that are always heavily scrutinzed.

[unit]

Originally Posted by taylor192

They have a majority, they could knock the fucking door down if they wanted to.

I hate conspiracy theorists. Not everyone is out to get you.

i dont see it as a conspiracy theory at all. its pretty damn transparent if you ask me. giving up freedom for supposed security is never a good trade.

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by unit

i dont see it as a conspiracy theory at all. its pretty damn transparent if you ask me.

Perhaps you don't understand what a majority government can do since we've had minority governments so long. They can pass any bill they like, so people who state "this opens the doors to much more" are just being dramatic. If the Cons really wanted to do more they'd just include it in the bill and pass it.

They aren't interested in all the potential outcomes conspiracy theorists come up with. What's in the bill is the end-all be-all, and as has already been pointed out, much of what the conspiracy theorists think the bill allows is not true at all. They are being dramatic to be dramatic, as they don't understand the bill nor what the current laws permit.

Originally Posted by unit

giving up freedom for supposed security is never a good trade.

The correct way to phrase this is:

Giving up the illusion of freedom you never had for real security is a great idea.

Read the bill not the non-sense, you'll understand.

[Gridlock]

Originally Posted by taylor192

If I belonged to a union, especially in Canada where I cannot opt out, you bet I want to see what my union members are paid and how my compulsory union dues are being used.

This is a GREAT bill for everyone in a union. Maybe union dues will come down once members see how they are being spent.

Um...I agree...with Taylor

There was a case in Canada(I think Vancouver actually) where the support staff of a union local went on strike.

You are going to come to MY company and tell me what we should be doing and you can't keep your own house in order? I think unions could use a little extra scrutiny. If there is a public, unionized company, by virtue of the nature of being a public company, you have my books right in front of you.

Let's be fair then, and have everyone's information right there.

I find unions to be very protectionist of themselves, but very much in favor of instigating change in other organizations.

Hell, the best thing BC could do right now, is become a "right to work" province.

[Anjew]

i agree with allowing police forces access with a warrant, but a paragraph in the article concerned me.

"Police will require a warrant to obtain that information. But the bill would also permit them to obtain IP addresses (which identifies someone on the Internet), email addresses, mobile phone numbers and other information without any warrant."

The information they can obtain WITHOUT a warrant is still too much.

[bengy]

The police can already get whatever they need from the ISPs with a warrant, so why the need to pass this bill?

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by bengy

The police can already get whatever they need from the ISPs with a warrant, so why the need to pass this bill?

So they don't have to get a warrant.

[dasani604]

If ISPs already store info for an extended period of time, let's say this thread included, that means when the bill passes and they go on a "you no say bad things about the government" rampage then all of us posting on this thread are screwed?

[TurboFC3S]

Originally Posted by taylor192

If I belonged to a union, especially in Canada where I cannot opt out, you bet I want to see what my union members are paid and how my compulsory union dues are being used.

This is a GREAT bill for everyone in a union. Maybe union dues will come down once members see how they are being spent.

Contrary to what some people say and think, Union books are open to those who fund them. The members. Any member has the right if they wish to exercise it, to examine and question the financing of their union, they also have the right and obligation to ensure these monies are being spent for the benefit of the members, locally and nationally, and if they see fit they could make public their findings. Union books are also audited on a regular basis.

Our unions financial statements / spending are read out twice a month at our meetings infront of all our memebers. This bill is just another step and an attempt to take away union power by the harper government, he hates unions.

100% of Canadians want public disclosure of the governments books but we don't see that happening. If MP Russ Hiebert / Harper wants all of this "transparency" then they should start showing it themselves. Like thats ever going to happen..

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by TurboFC3S

What union were you in? Contrary to what some people say and think, Union books are open to those who fund them. The members. Any member has the right if they wish to exercise it, to examine and question the financing of their union, they also have the right and obligation to ensure these monies are being spent for the benefit of the members, locally and nationally, and if they see fit they could make public their findings. Union books are also audited on a regular basis.

Our unions financial statements / spending are read out twice a month at our meetings infront of all our memebers. This bill is just another step and an attempt to take away union power by the harper government, he hates unions.

What's your problem then? This bill does nothing to change what already exists.

[TurboFC3S]

Originally Posted by taylor192

What's your problem then? This bill does nothing to change what already exists.

yes it does, also would make smaller unions such as the one im in have to hire 1 or 2 people to do all this new accounting and reporting which could possibly drive our union dues even higher than they already are.

Since all financial information is already available to members and the audits done anually theres no point of making it public information, this bills not intended to help unions just another small step of trying to take them down