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Old 12-20-2013, 07:28 PM   #151
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Thing is, you hear numbers tossed around like, "Oooo look, that spill was 20,000 litres, oh the humanity, the Earth is doomed!!"... and yes, as bad as that is for the immediate area, it literally is a tiny, tiny drop in a very large bucket. Just to put it in perspective, a standard Olympic swimming pool, at 50m long, 25m wide (10 2.5m lanes), and a nominal depth of 2m, contains 2.5 MILLION litres of water. In other words, a "massive" 20,000l spill is less than 1% the volume of an Olympic pool - almost immeasurable on a global scale.
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Thing is, you hear numbers tossed around like, "Oooo look, that spill was 20,000 litres, oh the humanity, the Earth is doomed!!"... and yes, as bad as that is for the immediate area, it literally is a tiny, tiny drop in a very large bucket. Just to put it in perspective, a standard Olympic swimming pool, at 50m long, 25m wide (10 2.5m lanes), and a nominal depth of 2m, contains 2.5 MILLION litres of water. In other words, a "massive" 20,000l spill is less than 1% the volume of an Olympic pool - almost immeasurable on a global scale.
yes, that would be a way of putting it, but you can't view it as a global scale. its every little thing that adds up. a 20,000L spill is a 20,000L spill, even at less than 1% of the volume of an Olympic pool. the damage is done. but as everything, no pain, no gain.

its like going out into a town that still uses septic systems and using well water as their source. if a house in that town were to only leak a fraction of sewage from the tanks, its nothing compared to the whole town. but if every household was to leak, water source may be contaminated and it becomes a bigger problem.
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Lets just not build anything that could be potentially polluting or dangerous.
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Lets just not build anything that could be potentially polluting or dangerous.
So build absolutely nothing.

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Lets just not build anything that could be potentially polluting or dangerous.
Is not we don't want to building the pipeline, to me it seems like there isn't enough safety precautions.

Example your bank hires a bunch of repeated robbery as a bank security to safe guard your deposit box, do you still safe with this bank?

This is what people don't like this project, Enbridge is known to have crappy safety standards and it have records of poor clean up. So who end up with the bill the clean up and all the damage done to our beautiful BC? We do while the CEO of Enbridge and its share holders make billions. People want liability so say if there is a spill or any accidents Enbridge is fully responsibility to pay for the clean and any damage done to the enviroment and also the CEO needs to be accountable for (such as jail time.).

And please don't give me the I am the CEO but I don't know every detail of the project so therefore I am not responsibility for any accidents. That's what CEO is for, be responsibility for your company, that's why you get pay millions every year.
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And please don't give me the I am the CEO but I don't know every detail of the project so therefore I am not responsibility for any accidents. That's what CEO is for, be responsibility for your company, that's why you get pay millions every year.
Perhaps you are not aware of Bill C-45 or how it came to be?

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Basically, in light of the mine disaster, CEO Clifford Frame pulled the "well how am I accountable for what happens at the mine xxxxKm's away when I'm in my Toronto office?"... and walked away unscathed.

So the Gov stepped in and wrote Bill C-45 to ensure people in management could be held accountable for virtually anything related to safety/environmental.
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Bump, so the gov't is going to announce it's decision on the pipeline today after markets close, and all signs point to approval.

Stock up almost 1%.

With pipeline decision imminent, deadlines mount for Enbridge - The Globe and Mail

Edit: Official now: http://www.theprovince.com/business/...838/story.html
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WOW! We have a thread on the pipeline. This is like a whole new playground for me.

Lol, jk. I probably shouldn't even post in this thread.

So I will only say this:

If they don't build the pipeline, the oil will find another way out of the sands. It's not like they will stop generating bitumen without the pipeline. So the alternative very likely will be a railway and getting the material out by that method.

How good of a track record do we have with that method?
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This is why you elect a PM who has a degree in economics, not law.

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Disclosure: Own shares in Enbridge, stock up 2% after hours
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I'm relieved because this is a decent amount of work being generated, but I don't think anyone is naive enough to believe that this is the end of this battle.

This project is still far off from going anywhere.

The only problem I have with the plan as it sits, has nothing to do with the environment (probably because I am a capitalist pig), but it has to do with the spread of the wealth this pipeline will generate.

The profits should go back into BC and Alberta economies, instead though eastern provinces have to get their cut, which is frankly BS because they have no risk or stake in the matter.

Then again it would never be approved unless they received their cut, so realistically its all fucked now.
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What about the PM that never spoke out for a nationalized oil company? Do you think he may have been lobbied not to?
With Canada being as large and resourceful, Im sure many countries would have loaned us money to extract our selves no?
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Sounds like there will be some serious continued protesting. One First Nations chief said he'd die before letting this happen and is literally willing to give his life to prevent this. Should be interesting to see how this unfolds.
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There's going to be years of lawsuits and protests but it will eventually go through
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They will crush us with vehicle city mobility zone fees until we give in and help break up protests along the way for the pipe line of gold!
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The lawyers that represent First Nations groups and environmental groups in lawsuits are gonna make it rain with the money they will be making from this issue.
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That's well and good.. what is going to happen is Enbridge will offer more right of way money and the First Nations will acquiesce.. Environmental groups often compare this to Clayoquot sound.Guess what? In the end, the First Nations once got the land, turned around and logged it.

Remember there will still be pipelines, First Nations are supportive of LNG, just not tar sands.

I say let every side exercise their right to complain and chat.. that's what democracy is about. Paper companies, courier companies rejoice!

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I dont think the First Nations will risk ancestral lands, which havent been conquered or set foot on by a white man, to be polluted as it would ruin it for thousands of years for their future offspring. Land is very valuable and that is the one thing that will keep a people from generations of servitude.

Theres a meeting tonight to brain wash the would be young (under 30 it states) protesters to come out and question the pipeline.

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I conquered yo momma. Now her offspring are polluted for a thousand years too.
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The federal government now has seven months to make a decision on the controversial Kinder Morgan Trans Mountain pipeline, after the national regulator gave its support to the proposed project.
Ok BC. Lube up and get ready to lay the pipe. Let's get this project pumping and get our sweet blackness to off-shore markets!


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