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There's too many bleeding hearts in this world, a guy who attacked a cop with a weapon didn't deserve to die, he should have been infact given a nice rehab stint in a
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Being a cop is a fucking shitty job, and alot of you people bitching about how this was wrong are probably the same ones who demanded more force be used during the Stanley cup riots, cops can't catch a break in a world of camera phones and social media, in the past when a story came out about a mentally
Unstable man attacking a cop with a chain and being subsequently killed for it people would think nothing of it, now people get their panties in a not when a grainy ass video tape shows the events unfold
Maybe..just maybe...you don't attack a cop with a bike chain and bad things won't happen?
Although we live in a world where you can behead a stranger on a bus and get out of jail a year later so who's to say what is right anymore anyways, just kill everyone IMO
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^ dude, the guy was on all fours with 7 bullets in his torso....and he was a threat to the police officers? they couldn't have tackled him and arrested him? so...let's shoot and kill the guy?....how would you feel if this was your brother or father?
If the MB tourist didn't send this video in, the cops would have gotten away with murder! Cops have way to much power right now and no minimal accountability.
How would you feel if your son was partying and bumped into a cop the wrong way on Granville Street...I guess it is OK for the cops to shot him.
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There's too many bleeding hearts in this world, a guy who attacked a cop with a weapon didn't deserve to die, he should have been infact given a nice rehab stint in a
Flowered garden full of naked women and the finest fruits and wines this world has to offer
Being a cop is a fucking shitty job, and alot of you people bitching about how this was wrong are probably the same ones who demanded more force be used during the Stanley cup riots, cops can't catch a break in a world of camera phones and social media, in the past when a story came out about a mentally
Being a cop is a shitty job? Since when!? Great benefits, automatic respect, opportunities to advance positions, great salaries and great schedules...In most cases, no advanced education required so you're not spending $100,000's in tuition just to make a decent living...Cops have shitty jobs?? LOL!
I can't respond to your comments anymore, they're ludicrous.
I don't think we'll get anywhere in society with people saying "oh he was going to die anyways, so it's okay if there was one last lethal shot to the head..."
Agreed. VGH is a short amberlamps ride away. Hes a person, not an animal. He didn't need to be "put out of his misery". If that was the officer's motivation (not saying it was) then thats extremely flawed logic and tantamount to murder. The "victims" of Jack Kevorkian willingly consented to die at someone else's hand, not this guy.
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Right.....He wasn't rational or normal....He was bipolar....WTF are you trying to say??
The majority of bipolar people don't hit people with bike chains. The VAST majority of them.
Did they find out if this guy was on drugs or not?
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The majority of bipolar people don't hit people with bike chains. The VAST majority of them.
Okay, true....however, when a bipolar individual is experiencing a manic episode, he is MORE LIKELY to become aggressive and/or violent towards others, especially if he is also under the influence of drugs or alcohol and isn't taking his meds....
Whether the police officer acted correctly or not, he doesn't represent the entire force.
VPD is out there to serve and protect the city of Vancouver. Whether the shooting was result of a person snapping or the lack of training by VPD, nobody knows.
If the Paul Boyd attacked the police officer and end up killing him. What would people say here? Would anyone say we need to protect our police officers more? Or would people just say RIP.
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Well.. I guess its 1 shot each from each officer.
no it was only the 1 officer who fired all the shots (total of 8 including the killing shot)
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If the Paul Boyd attacked the police officer and end up killing him. What would people say here? Would anyone say we need to protect our police officers more? Or would people just say RIP.
just say RIP... they've got ample protection and their role is to put their lives on the line... to serve and protect the community... but time and again we're shown they don't seem to believe in that anymore
people are always mentioning how bad the police in eastern europe are but remember those videos we've seen of police going hand to hand to take down an aggressive citizen who was fist fighting with the police and using wooden posts and metal bars to attack the cops and they got hit but didnt take their guns out and just fought it out because they actually value life
So watching the news today, they said the testimony of the cop that shot Boyd was that Boyd was swinging the chain and wouldn't stop.
This video pretty much proves he lied, and that's fucked up.
Who's "they"?
Because "they" also said the reason he was shot was because despite being shot multiple times already, he was still trying to crawl towards the police officers (and the obscured portion of the video), he was attempting to get up.
Seems like which story of "they" just depends on which news source you want to listen to.
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Who's "they"?
Because "they" also said the reason he was shot was because despite being shot multiple times already, he was still trying to crawl towards the police officers (and the obscured portion of the video), he was attempting to get up.
Seems like which story of "they" just depends on which news source you want to listen to.
it was portrayed in a way to indicate that by Jim Chu himself
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VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - Vancouver's new Police Chief Jim Chu is spending his first day on the job investigating a police shooting which took the life of a 39-year old Vancouver man. Chief Chu did the briefing this morning, on an incident last night where police shot and killed a suspect near Granville Street and 16th Avenue.
Chu says officers responded to an assault call to find a man with a claw hammer at a bus stop on Granville. He says the man obeyed police orders to drop the hammer, but refused to drop to the ground. Chu says the man then came at officers, swinging a large chain. One officer was knocked out, another received a head injury. "He then turned his attention to three other officers who arrived at the scene. He advanced at these officers, swinging his chain. These officers backed up about half a block and at that point he was shot by the police officers."
the article doesn't seem to exist anymore on news1130 but 7seven quoted it which can be found in the original thread about this incident here
You basically know the cop fucked up when the police chief says he's "disturbed" by the video.
I can almost bet anything that this guy will be charged based on this video, there is no reason whatsoever for this cop to shot this guy in the head when he was crawling on the ground after been shot 7 times. I don't know how this cop has the balls to say that he shot him because he was trying to get up and some how he felt threatened by a guy who was basically dying. I usually defend cops but this guy needs to be charged and put behind bars, there is nothing in the video that justified this victim been executed.
Wow didn't know I had the last post but here's an update for this case, disappointing news for the family.
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A Vancouver police officer who was involved in a fatal shooting that was captured on a cellphone video won't face charges because he could reasonably argue self-defence, a special prosecutor announced Monday.
Paul Boyd was shot multiple times after police responded to a 911 call about a disturbance in August 2007. He was bipolar and was not taking his medication at the time.
Various investigations and reviews by police and Crown prosecutors had cleared Const. Lee Chipperfield, but the case was placed under renewed scrutiny last year when a cellphone video emerged in the media.
Chipperfield had told a coroner's inquest he believed Boyd was armed with a bicycle chain when he fired the fatal shot. He also said he believed Boyd may have been wearing body armour because it appeared as though he wasn't affected by the initial shots.
But the shaky video showed Boyd crawling along the ground, no longer holding the chain, in the seconds before the ninth and final shot.
An outside agency was brought in from Alberta to conduct yet another review of the case and a special prosecutor was appointed to review the evidence.
The B.C. Criminal Justice Branch released a seven-page statement Monday explaining special prosecutor Mark Jette's decision to not charge the officer.
"If Const. Chipperfield was prosecuted for an offence alleging culpable homicide, a reasonable doubt on the issue of self-defence would require an acquittal," the statement said.
"The evidence made available to the special prosecutor in this case was that Const. Chipperfield personally believed resort to lethal force was necessary to preserve himself and others from death or grievous bodily harm."
Police were called to a report about an assault at a bus stop, though Monday's statement notes the call turned out to be inaccurate.
At first, Boyd was co-operative, according to the prosecutor's statement, dropping a hammer when police officers asked him to. However, when the officers attempted to handcuff Boyd, the situation deteriorated and Boyd swung the bike chain, hitting one of the officers.
During the confrontation, Chipperfield fired nine shots, eight of which struck Boyd.
Midway through the gunfire, the video shows Boyd had dropped the bike chain and another officer pushed it aside, the prosecutor's statement says. That officer later said he had told Chipperfield to "hold your fire," though Chipperfield and other officers at the scene said they didn't hear it.
The prosecutor's statement said the video does not tell the whole story about what happened that night.
The video starts after six shots had already been fired and doesn't show the confrontation that prompted the shooting, the statement says. The entire incident lasted less than three minutes.
While Boyd is seen on the video crawling on the ground, he moves behind a car, blocking the camera's view, before the final shot. An autopsy concluded the angle of the fatal shot indicated Boyd may have been either on his hands and knees or leaning forward while on his feet.
As for Chipperfield's belief that Boyd was still armed when the fatal shot was fired, the statement notes other civilian witnesses had the same, albeit inaccurate, recollection.
"A number of the civilian witnesses who viewed the incident involving Mr. Boyd also failed to observe a police officer remove the chain and padlock prior to the fatal shot," said the statement.
"The special prosecutor concluded that Const. Chipperfield's evidence that he failed to note Mr. Boyd being disarmed may reflect the fact that sometimes people do not see what is there to be seen."
Vancouver police Chief Jim Chu said in a statement the case was "difficult and sad for everyone involved."
"As I have said from the beginning of this tragic incident, I would like to once again extend our sincere regrets and condolences to the Boyd family for their loss," Chu said in the statement.
"No police officer ever comes to work with the intent of taking a life."
It's crappy when police is called in to deal with an emergency caused by mental health issues.
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I really think the police need to be trained better for situation's like this, it's really said this has happened cause it truly could of been avoided with proper training.
Self defence on a guy who's crawling towards you with 7 bulletes in him? Guess it was too much to ask to just jump on his back and cuff him.... And the cops wonder why they have a bad image.
I'm no cop hater, and know that sometimes people will die when they are a PERCEIVED threat to the police. There is no rational person who could believe the threat hadn't ended when Boyd was on his knees full of 7 bullets with no weapon in his hand. This is an execution. The extra step, and extra bullets need to stop. This isn't zombieland.
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
Whatever happened to appropriate force? In self-defence, generally you are permitted to use the same force back as the one that is threatening you. If it be deadly force, you're allowed to respond back with deadly force, if it's non-deadly, you must respond with non-deadly.
Yes it can be argued that a Kinder Surprise may be used with deadly force but REASONABLE perspective would tell us that a kinder surprise, like a chain or a belt, even as a weapon, is generally not deadly force; although it can cause bodily harm. So then why, is a gun shooting real bullets, permitted to be a response to non-deadly threat? Here lies the problem. It's what the officer reasonably perceived the situation to be not what it actually was.
Either way, I don't see how you can spin that deadly force was justified here because generally it's only allowed when there is an apparent threat of deadly force or grievous bodily harm. Being hit by a bicycle chain once will unlikely cause grievous bodily harm and certainly wouldn't cause death.
There is no rational person who could believe the threat hadn't ended when Boyd was on his knees full of 7 bullets with no weapon in his hand.
And I'll repeat what I said before: they had no way of knowing whether he may have had other weapons ON HIS PERSON. He could have had a knife, a gun, an HIV-tainted needle...
I also wouldn't expect they had any way of knowing that seven of their bullets actually found him. It MAY have been obvious he was hit, but not how many times, and not how much that was actually slowing him down.
What WAS surely obvious was that this person was bent on harming someone; that he had been armed with one dangerous weapon and may have more; and that despite being shot, hs was still intent on advancing and causing more harm.
But you know, all the armchair quarterbacks here have the benefit of everyone else's hindsight and don't have to actually live in the heat of the moment, with a screaming maniac making it pretty clear that he's about to do you in no matter what you do to stop him... so by all means, judge away.
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