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06-17-2013, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by rsx  but to rely solely on him to be a second line centre is asking a bit too much imo. | Hate to break this news to you:
But he's been the teams 2nd line center since 2009 lol.........
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06-17-2013, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by rsx Kesler does well as a checking centre who can contribute some scoring, but to rely solely on him to be a second line centre is asking a bit too much imo. | Have you actually seen any Canuck games when he's been healthy?
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06-17-2013, 06:02 PM
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#18428 | | Where's my RS Christmas Lobster?!
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Originally Posted by murd0c Have you actually seen any Canuck games when he's been healthy? | I understand your point... but lately it's kind of irrelevant since he's never healthy. At this point, seems like more of an excuse for inconsistent play  | |
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06-17-2013, 06:23 PM
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#18429 | | Lomac owned my ass at least once
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The issue with Kesler is health and consistency. If you're going to bank on someone to play 2nd line, you cant have kes. Season after season has shown he can't step up.
I understand that Kes is modeled to be a 2nd liner, but taking a checking role isn't a downgrade, he'll become an asset instead of a liability.
I'm not hating on Kesler, just being a realist.
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06-17-2013, 06:58 PM
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#18430 | | manage the cap you say????
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If you guys wanna be realists then..... a 5 million dollar 3rd line centre with a lowered cap is pretty expensive
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06-17-2013, 07:38 PM
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And we thought 2.5 was expensive for manny
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06-17-2013, 08:04 PM
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Very telling, Rask has been great, but Chara and B's defense has just been amazing keeping everything to the outside.
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06-17-2013, 08:44 PM
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yup, cant penetrate within
giving rask pretty easy saves from that far out
blackhawks PP looks distraught too
wish the canucks had someone big and greasy like Chara
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06-17-2013, 08:54 PM
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someone post the Faceoffs, Hits and Shot block. It's nearly double for the Bruins compare to the blackhawks.
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06-17-2013, 09:07 PM
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Hmm, there's no doubt the Defense of the Bruins is a huge help for Rask. I mean, penalty kills have been incredible.
If Bruins win, and Rask posts good #'s still, does he get the Con Smyth? Some say there's bias (popular vote), could be Chara/krejic.
But I say Rask, for the sake of Thomas winning in 2011, with similar #s. Didn't realize Rask has 6 shut outs as well.
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06-17-2013, 09:45 PM
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#18436 | | Big Drama Show
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Lol @ not being able to rely on Kesler as a 2nd line centre
Who's the Hawks 2nd line C? Handzus?
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06-17-2013, 09:55 PM
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#18437 | | WOAH! i think Vtec just kicked in!
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The past 2 and including this stanley cup play offs, goal tending has been so clutch it is mind blowing.
Thomas, Quick and now Crawford or Rask, their numbers are top notch!
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06-17-2013, 09:57 PM
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hits, block shits and face off with puck possession too
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06-17-2013, 10:24 PM
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#18439 | | manage the cap you say????
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Originally Posted by TjAlmeida The past 2 and including this stanley cup play offs, goal tending has been so clutch it is mind blowing.
Thomas, Quick and now Crawford or Rask, their numbers are top notch! | Let's not forget what Lu did for us... granted he didn't have much help
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06-17-2013, 10:33 PM
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#18440 | | WOAH! i think Vtec just kicked in!
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Originally Posted by Not really racist! Let's not forget what Lu did for us... granted he didn't have much help | Not forgetting, just referring to winners..  | |
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06-17-2013, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by UFO You pulled some bad numbers. Bryz's actual payout is 1.64/yr over however many years are left on his contract times 2 (16 in this case). What you posted is the caphit to the flyers, which is all over the map due to the crazy frontloaded contracts. Tough to swallow a 5m and 6m caphit with nothing to show for it, one of the reasons why Lu will absolutely not get bought out, at least not by the canucks, 5.2m and 2 seasons of 5.8m caphits from 2019- 2022. | No one cares what the payout is. That's irrelevant to hockey. That's only for the owners and the player to give a shit about. I've said it plenty of times before, actual salary or actual money is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT. Cap hit is all that matters because it determines what a team can spend.
Do we care that Lu's contract paid him $10m in the first year? Do we care that Tyler Myers made like $12m last year? How about Ehrhoff making $10m? None of that matters. Cap hit and contract length is all we care about.
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06-17-2013, 10:36 PM
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#18442 | | ...in the world.
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Originally Posted by rsx Kesler does well as a checking centre who can contribute some scoring, but to rely solely on him to be a second line centre is asking a bit too much imo. | Just when I thought it couldn't get any more ridiculous in here...
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06-17-2013, 10:39 PM
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#18443 | | WOAH! i think Vtec just kicked in!
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^ Chill bro, not everyone is a hockey analyst..
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06-17-2013, 10:49 PM
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#18444 | | manage the cap you say????
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Originally Posted by TjAlmeida Not forgetting, just referring to winners.. | 
looks like we got a war brewing...... 
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06-17-2013, 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Ronin No one cares what the payout is. That's irrelevant to hockey. That's only for the owners and the player to give a shit about. I've said it plenty of times before, actual salary or actual money is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT. Cap hit is all that matters because it determines what a team can spend.
Do we care that Lu's contract paid him $10m in the first year? Do we care that Tyler Myers made like $12m last year? How about Ehrhoff making $10m? None of that matters. Cap hit and contract length is all we care about. | Actually, you are wrong. This is the first time that cap hit is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT, and actual salary/money is relevant. We are talking compliance buyouts, stay on topic. Wade Reddon and Scott Gomez couldn't get a buyout prior to the new CBA due to the caphits hitting their prior teams, so its a moot point to discuss Bryz or Lu getting bought out without the compliance outclause.
If Bryz is compliance bought out, what you said above is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT to quote your own words. So no, the caphit doesn't actually matter, nor do we care about it at all, in this instance. The only guy that will care is the guy cutting the cheque for the next 16 years.
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06-17-2013, 10:56 PM
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And Lu's contract will handcuff a team for 3 years at 5M+/yr during his twillight years, Bryz's is only 2 years at 5M+/yr. So who has the better contract again?
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06-17-2013, 10:58 PM
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it completely depends on the team that they are on. a team that is trying to make the cap floor would probably prefer luongos contract. add to the fact you are paying more for a goalie like bryz compare to luongo  . cap will always go up so there's would be room to accept the final 3 years. its honestly not as bad as people make it out to be. luongo is still highly wanted around the league its just gms are just being dicks because the player requested a trade and the canucks need to sign players with little cap the next year. think of how the heatley demand worked, he was in great demand, but gms knew murray was fucked. the way the trade worked out, ott got way less than they thought they would and are lucky those players panned out
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06-17-2013, 11:10 PM
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#18448 | | Say NO to blade grinders!
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Originally Posted by UFO You pulled some bad numbers. Bryz's actual payout is 1.64/yr over however many years are left on his contract times 2 (16 in this case). What you posted is the caphit to the flyers, which is all over the map due to the crazy frontloaded contracts. Tough to swallow a 5m and 6m caphit with nothing to show for it, one of the reasons why Lu will absolutely not get bought out, at least not by the canucks, 5.2m and 2 seasons of 5.8m caphits from 2019- 2022. | Compliance buyouts follow same rules but do not count against the cap. Like you said, it's whether or not they want to flush 20M+ down the toilet to buyout Bryz or Lu. Thats probably the Only way to fit Streit.
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06-18-2013, 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by TjAlmeida ^ Chill bro, not everyone is a hockey analyst.. | you don't need to be an analyst to see how ridiculous that post was
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yeah, he's definitely not a second liner.
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06-18-2013, 12:40 AM
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#18450 | | WOAH! i think Vtec just kicked in!
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I never questioned the previous post, never even mentioned any thing about its ridicule???
I was just giving him a hard time.
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