Driving Phone Law

[10-9]

Originally Posted by sebberry

Yep, we know that.




There's nothing biologically different about a police officer's brain than a civilian's brain. Tell me how using those devices while operating a motor vehicle somehow isn't distracting to them?

police officers are trained to task sequence while driving. During training (and on the job), they go through scenario after scenario where they have to drive, communicate on the radio, constantly scan their environment, and sometimes on their phone, while making decisions before they get on scene. So yes, because of the trainng and constant stimulation, I am pretty sure police officers are able to task sequence a lot better than the average joe.

It isn't a double standard. A double standard would be saying OFF DUTY cops are exempt from that particular offence, but they aren't.

Your argument is like saying police officers should not go above the speed limit to attend a call, if normal civilians can't go above the limit. It is part of the job.

[sebberry]

Originally Posted by 10-9

Your argument is like saying police officers should not go above the speed limit to attend a call, if normal civilians can't go above the limit. It is part of the job.

Not at all. Most of the time, drivers can "speed" with virtually no problems. Remembering the details of a phone conversation while navigating through traffic.. not so much.

Originally Posted by 10-9

It isn't a double standard. A double standard would be saying OFF DUTY cops are exempt from that particular offence, but they aren't.

So if they've received special training, why aren't they permitted to use the phone while driving off-duty?

And if police officers are permitted to poke at their laptop while stopped at a light, why can't I poke at my GPS device while stopped at a light?

[catalin]

New officers can get trained all they want but nothing prepares them for everyday encounters other then experience. Same goes for cell phone use and driving. If you're a long time driver with knowledge of the roads and actually have the common sense to plan your trip then it really isn't that hard to do both in a car. Some may say that, "oh well you won't see traffic changing lanes" or whatever....well that's because there are too many dumbasses on the road and licenses are too easy to get.

Personally I think i think people are way more dangerous now testing under the wheel...and how the Frick! Do they know who's crashed because of testing or using their phone? Really how? Unless they check every crashed drivers phone records its just not possible.

Meh, best thing is play dumb and say you were scratching your ear. There's no law on driving single handed....or is there?

[Marco911]

Originally Posted by bonestock

kind of silly how you can't use a system that's standard on your car that's designed to stop you from using your handheld.
distracting or not.

You're overanalyzing. Go ahead and use the system...There's pretty much a zero chance you'll get busted for it.

[freakshow]

So if it was part of my job to make and receive calls while in my car, i should be able to take a special course and get the exemption, right?

[sebberry]

Or, perhaps you're a delivery driver and you have an automated dispatch system installed in the vehicle, say a tablet PC with specialized software on it. You need to press a button on the screen to acknowledge that an address has been added to your route. You're stopped in traffic at a light, but you have to pull over and park before you're permitted to tap the screen.

This law really wasn't crafted to take into account these variables, was it?

[10-9]

Originally Posted by sebberry

Not at all. Most of the time, drivers can "speed" with virtually no problems. Remembering the details of a phone conversation while navigating through traffic.. not so much.



So if they've received special training, why aren't they permitted to use the phone while driving off-duty?

And if police officers are permitted to poke at their laptop while stopped at a light, why can't I poke at my GPS device while stopped at a light?

off duty officers aren't exempt from this because they are not on their phone during the course of their duty.. a double standard would only cause civilians like yourself to become more outraged.

[Vancouver_M5]

Laws are meant to be broken. Use a hands free device or Siri if you got it.

[xilley]

Originally Posted by d87c

If a police stop you, just say you were singing to the music to keep yourself awake

then your screwed, once they say "oh, so your tired and driving?"

[sebberry]

Originally Posted by 10-9

off duty officers aren't exempt from this because they are not on their phone during the course of their duty..

If they have the training to do it safely then why should their phone usage be restricted to work related conversations?

[Soundy]

Originally Posted by sebberry

If they have the training to do it safely then why should their phone usage be restricted to work related conversations?

Because otherwise you'd be whining about why the rules that apply to everyone else don't apply to them.

Same reason cops aren't allowed to speed in their own cars, but are when they're on-duty.

[iKayChow]

you know, if you're using your car's hands free how would anyone even know you're on the phone honestly? they see you talking.. could be just singing in your car lulzzzz

i for one sing in my car

[sebberry]

Originally Posted by Soundy

Because otherwise you'd be whining about why the rules that apply to everyone else don't apply to them.

Same reason cops aren't allowed to speed in their own cars, but are when they're on-duty.

You're so wrong Soundy. I'd be accepting of the fact that they're trained to use their phones safely. But it's all moot regardless as they're just as susceptible to the old left brain/right brain battle when it comes to talking and driving.

As for speeding in their own cars - their own cars don't have lights and sirens and police markings... Not like they don't get away with it anyway.

[10-9]

Originally Posted by sebberry

You're so wrong Soundy. I'd be accepting of the fact that they're trained to use their phones safely. But it's all moot regardless as they're just as susceptible to the old left brain/right brain battle when it comes to talking and driving.

As for speeding in their own cars - their own cars don't have lights and sirens and police markings... Not like they don't get away with it anyway.

A police officer is exempt to talk on the phone while driving when they are on duty because it is work related. If a police officer is off duty, why would they need the exemption if it is not related to work? Also, even they are were exempt as an off duty officer, how would the lay person, or even you know, if the person you see chatting away on the phone while driving is a police officer?

Police officers are allowed to carry a prohibited firearm as their duty pistol... It doesn't mean they walk around town, off duty, with their smith and wesson.

[sebberry]

Originally Posted by 10-9

A police officer is exempt to talk on the phone while driving when they are on duty because it is work related.

So again, why can't I use my phone in the car while driving if it is work related?

[catalin]

Originally Posted by 10-9

A police officer is exempt to talk on the phone while driving when they are on duty because it is work related.

BS an officer or not it's a human being using a phone. If you're going to put a law in place then everyone should follow it. I can drive fricken circles around a cop on the phone, typing on my computer and driving with my knees. Screw that nonsense... If I see a cop talking on the phone I'm going to let'em have it. Get off the phone like the rest of us!

[sebberry]

Oh, but he has the training, and it was work related!

Vancouver police deputy chief ticketed for smashing cruiser while using cellphone

[zulutango]

I'm not aware of any training given to Police to help them drive while on cell phones. The advanced driving course had a segment where we tried to drive the course while talking on the radio and it was instantly obvious that the divided attention was a huge problem..you ran over cones and went off course. If you use a cell phone while driving and you crash you will be held responsible for your actions. I know of Cops who got ticketed for driving offences, while on duty and driving code 3....lights & siren. You have the exemption to disobey traffic laws while on duty, but you are held 100% responsible for anything that happens as a result. I refused to answer my cell or look at the MDT screen while driving and told dispatch that.


The decision to permit drivers to use hands free phones is based entirely in politics and is 100% contrary to all research showing the mental distraction is the problem, not holding the phone. To ban them completely for safety (the proper thing to do) would create a s**t storm of Mr Lahey proportions and the politicians don't want that. They introduced a wimpy version of photo radar and dumped it for the same political reasons. Done the way it was done in the countries where they used it properly, resulted in dramatic drops in crashes and injuries. Done the way the NDP introduced and ran it and the way the Liberals dumped it as an election vote-getter, accomplished very little other than to spend our money.

[Simnut]

Originally Posted by zulutango

I'm not aware of any training given to Police to help them drive while on cell phones. The advanced driving course had a segment where we tried to drive the course while talking on the radio and it was instantly obvious that the divided attention was a huge problem..you ran over cones and went off course. If you use a cell phone while driving and you crash you will be held responsible for your actions. I know of Cops who got ticketed for driving offences, while on duty and driving code 3....lights & siren. You have the exemption to disobey traffic laws while on duty, but you are held 100% responsible for anything that happens as a result. I refused to answer my cell or look at the MDT screen while driving and told dispatch that.

Thank you very much for being so honest Zulu!

[Transience]

Originally Posted by sebberry

So again, why can't I use my phone in the car while driving if it is work related?

My assumption is because you are not a Peace Officer, as per the Motor Vehicle Act Peace Officers are exempt from this law.

Police Officers didn't make this rule, ICBC did.

[10-9]

Originally Posted by zulutango

I'm not aware of any training given to Police to help them drive while on cell phones. The advanced driving course had a segment where we tried to drive the course while talking on the radio and it was instantly obvious that the divided attention was a huge problem..you ran over cones and went off course. If you use a cell phone while driving and you crash you will be held responsible for your actions. I know of Cops who got ticketed for driving offences, while on duty and driving code 3....lights & siren. You have the exemption to disobey traffic laws while on duty, but you are held 100% responsible for anything that happens as a result. I refused to answer my cell or look at the MDT screen while driving and told dispatch that.


The decision to permit drivers to use hands free phones is based entirely in politics and is 100% contrary to all research showing the mental distraction is the problem, not holding the phone. To ban them completely for safety (the proper thing to do) would create a s**t storm of Mr Lahey proportions and the politicians don't want that. They introduced a wimpy version of photo radar and dumped it for the same political reasons. Done the way it was done in the countries where they used it properly, resulted in dramatic drops in crashes and injuries. Done the way the NDP introduced and ran it and the way the Liberals dumped it as an election vote-getter, accomplished very little other than to spend our money.

I stated that police officers are trained to task sequence while driving. The cell phone MDT etc is done on the job, I guess by some but not all, while driving. But like everything in policing, you are always liable for anything that happens, good or bad. That's part of the job.

[sebberry]

Originally Posted by zulutango

I'm not aware of any training given to Police to help them drive while on cell phones. The advanced driving course had a segment where we tried to drive the course while talking on the radio and it was instantly obvious that the divided attention was a huge problem..you ran over cones and went off course. If you use a cell phone while driving and you crash you will be held responsible for your actions. I know of Cops who got ticketed for driving offences, while on duty and driving code 3....lights & siren. You have the exemption to disobey traffic laws while on duty, but you are held 100% responsible for anything that happens as a result. I refused to answer my cell or look at the MDT screen while driving and told dispatch that.

Thank you, Zulu. There are just some things that a brain cannot be taught to do. Just out of curiosity, did you interact with the MDT while stopped at traffic lights?

Originally Posted by zulutango

They introduced a wimpy version of photo radar and dumped it for the same political reasons. Done the way it was done in the countries where they used it properly, resulted in dramatic drops in crashes and injuries. Done the way the NDP introduced and ran it and the way the Liberals dumped it as an election vote-getter, accomplished very little other than to spend our money.

As you are aware the BC government commissioned a review in 2003 of our speed limits. It showed that there was a statistically significant increase in compliance with the posted limits and reduction in collisions in test areas where the speed limit was raised.

This was in stark contrast to what has been observed in other countries. So you can point to "countries that have properly implemented photo radar" and say "it works over there, why don't we do it?" all you want, but it doesn't mean that it will translate into the same results over here.

[BallPeenHammer2]

Originally Posted by 10-9

police officers are trained to task sequence while driving. During training (and on the job), they go through scenario after scenario where they have to drive, communicate on the radio, constantly scan their environment, and sometimes on their phone, while making decisions before they get on scene. So yes, because of the trainng and constant stimulation, I am pretty sure police officers are able to task sequence a lot better than the average joe.

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like that interstate trooper in the states that crashed his Toyota for not being able to stop? Looks like his task sequence training kicked in there

Seriously. I'm in the car business and around a lot of people with these concerns. I think it is RIDICULOUS that if you buy a car with integrated BT/HFL, you can't use it with an N. If anything, drivers should be training to get used to the fact that there is an integrated device there to help you. In our industry, it's been predicted that within 5 years, EVERY new vehicle, regardless of class and price will have a BT/HFL unit. Might as well get the kids used to them now.

Not letting you use it for 2 years and then "boom", allowing you after is NOT going to make the process any easier. Drivers need better training. Better practice sessions. YD and provincial tests are a fucking JOKE.


Convos are distracting? Why don't we take out passenger seats? So no one can come with you?

Radios/decks - Take them out too. I've yet to meet one where I don't have to take my eyes off the road to operate one, ESPECIALLY on Euros (Audi MMIs, BMW iDrives, etc).

While we're at it, BAN CUPHOLDERS. Since drinking a beverage will be bad for driving too.

I've been driving for over 10 years. No. I DO NOT use any devices outside my BT and radio while driving.
But even before then, I've never even had as much as a CLOSE CALL with anyone or anything while driving and talking/phoning/drinking/eating. I'm not saying I'm good at it. Just saying, that I knew when to do it, how to do it, and what to watch for while I'm at it.


Shit. Seriously. These things have always been around for a number of years. Putting out a law to curb phone texting/calling is an admirable attempt to try and prevent accidents/fatalities from happening while driving. HOWEVER. It's the mentality of the drivers that is the main issue. No amount of laws short of a 10 year sentence /execution is going to prevent it from happening. The police have said it themselves: Since the introduction of the no-device law, numbers of offenders have actually gone UP.

Car companies are now introducing sms/bbm readback/composition features on their vehicles...wait until auto-correct kick in on those when you have some chinaman or indian guy trying to correct the system because it can't decypher their accents....





...while driving.

[Energy]

So much fuss over hands free Bluetooth. Just use it and be done with it. You're never going to get caught unless you're at a stop and there's an officer beside you and you press the answer button on your steering wheel while he is looking at you.

[sebberry]

Or when you crash because you were distracted.