| Vancouver Off-Topic / Current Events The off-topic forum for Vancouver, funnies, non-auto centered discussions, WORK SAFE. While the rules are more relaxed here, there are still rules. Please refer to sticky thread in this forum. |
 | | 
12-07-2012, 03:57 PM
|
#26 | | The RS Freebie guru
Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: East Vancouver
Posts: 22,032
Thanked 2,491 Times in 860 Posts
| Quote:
Originally Posted by subordinate  You could make the same case about cyber bullying. Just because I tell a secret about the person and they kill themselves, is it my fault?
The DJ's went beyond a joke. Royal family...calling the hospital - (who really knew the severity of her health)......The DJ's should have at least had some foresight into the possible consequences of their actions. | You make an interesting point, but I don't see this being comparable to bullying.
It's hard to draw the line and make the distinction, but consider the following:
If a bully repeatedly and continuously taunts and torments the victim and the victim commits suicide, I won't argue that the bully is responsible.
But what if a stranger on the street calls the victim a bitch one time out of the blue, and that was enough for the victim to commit suicide, is that stranger responsible? I would have a hard time saying yes.
I would liken this situation more so to the second situation than the first, but even the second situation isn't quite representative of the situation.
A bully is victimizing someone on purpose. The DJs were playing a prank, but they had no intentions of actually victimizing anyone. It's unfortunate the call taker felt so bad about it that she committed suicide, but is it really their fault?
The DJ's should have had some foresight? I'm sorry, but there is nobody that could have predicted the call taker who transferred the call would feel so bad about it that they would commit suicide. No way in hell that could be thought of as a potential consequence. It's so far off in left field in the realm of possibilities.
Last edited by InvisibleSoul; 12-07-2012 at 04:03 PM.
| 
|  | |
12-07-2012, 04:13 PM
|
#27 | | My homepage has been set to RS
Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Nowhere
Posts: 2,294
Thanked 848 Times in 392 Posts
|
I hear you Invisible,
but factor in she was the target of a ton of humiliation when it was released. It's not simply the case of yelling "bitch" and that's it. It was on all the major stations, radio, papers, et cetera! I bet she was the jab of many jokes.
And by foresight, I didn't mean suicide. The Dj's should have knew that whoever took the call, could have been reprimanded for releasing such information.
| |
| | |
12-07-2012, 04:20 PM
|
#28 | | My homepage has been set to RS
Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Deutschland
Posts: 2,402
Thanked 900 Times in 387 Posts
|
Any of you guys every listen to Cpt. Scotty on the fox? he makes prank calls like this all the time and they are halarious. It's not the DJ's fault, it's the person at the hospital for disclosing the information. What make them think it was OK to give out info over the phone? Take for instance the Costal Health person here who looked up info on "local news people" and got fired. It's your own damn fault, and if this type of thing made you commit suicide, then... well, there were other issues or you were just a weak minded perosn.
__________________
FOR SALE: 14'' MR2 MK1 wheels with 90% rubber $130, FD RX7 Transmission $200, Hitch Mount Snowboard/Ski rack w/ THULE clamps, locks $200. PM me for details!
If this is still in my sig, it's still avail.
| |
| | |
12-07-2012, 04:26 PM
|
#29 | | My homepage has been set to RS
Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vancouver
Posts: 2,308
Thanked 825 Times in 341 Posts
|
^unlike some posters im not against practical joeks or radio prank calls. however seems like some places like hospitals shd be off limits. also i absolutely hate it when innocent people are made to look like idiots. if it was a dodgy care salesman who is scamming people im all for it. but some innocent nurse who made a mistake and didnt do it on purpose? should not have been done live.
if she didnt die and if i didnt know it affected her would i feel this way? prolly not. unfortunately it often takes a sad incident for us to realize whats wrong and right
Posted via RS Mobile | |
| | |
12-07-2012, 05:23 PM
|
#30 | | The RS Freebie guru
Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: East Vancouver
Posts: 22,032
Thanked 2,491 Times in 860 Posts
| Quote:
Originally Posted by subordinate I hear you Invisible,
but factor in she was the target of a ton of humiliation when it was released. It's not simply the case of yelling "bitch" and that's it. It was on all the major stations, radio, papers, et cetera! I bet she was the jab of many jokes.
And by foresight, I didn't mean suicide. The Dj's should have knew that whoever took the call, could have been reprimanded for releasing such information. | She wasn't even the one who actually released the information! She just transferred the call to the nurse who eventually did!
Apparently she did not get disciplined for it, nor did the royal family make a complaint. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/08/wo...call.html?_r=0 | |
| | |
12-07-2012, 05:37 PM
|
#31 | | I WANT MY 10 YEARS BACK FROM RS.net!
Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Vancouver BC
Posts: 22,032
Thanked 9,822 Times in 3,903 Posts
|
her name wasn't even released publicly....what humiliation?
| |
| | |
12-07-2012, 05:39 PM
|
#32 | | I only answer to my username, my real name is Irrelevant!
Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: CELICAland
Posts: 25,651
Thanked 10,382 Times in 3,908 Posts
| Quote:
Originally Posted by twitchyzero her name wasn't even released publicly....what humiliation? |
when the queen rubbed her face in the cyanide
| |
| | |
12-07-2012, 05:45 PM
|
#33 | | Lomac owned my ass at least once
Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Vancouver
Posts: 6,259
Thanked 3,463 Times in 820 Posts
|
dafuq, over the prank call...??
| |
| | |
12-07-2012, 08:18 PM
|
#34 | | Banned By Establishment
Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Richmond
Posts: 12,484
Thanked 2,091 Times in 773 Posts
|
Why am I getting failed? Do any of you even work in hospitals to know that you DON'T disclose information over the phone unless requested to by the patient.
Why would the QUEEN be making the phone call herself?
| |
| | |
12-07-2012, 08:55 PM
|
#35 | | My AFC gave me an ABS CEL code of LOL while at WOT!
Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: vancouver, B.C.
Posts: 1,843
Thanked 563 Times in 229 Posts
|
If the only reason that she committed suicide was because she transferred a call inadvertently, then she is quite selfish to do so being a mother of two.
I hardly find this a reason to die over.
__________________
Cars:
02' Lexus IS300 5spd
07' BMW 323iA
05' BMW Z4 5spd
06' BMW 330i 6spd
10' Audi A4 quattro
08' BMW M3 6spd
15' Kawasaki Ninja300
08' Yamaha R6
10' Honda Ridgeline
17' Audi Q5
16' BMW X5D
| |
| | |
12-08-2012, 03:33 AM
|
#36 | | I only answer to my username, my real name is Irrelevant!
Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: CELICAland
Posts: 25,651
Thanked 10,382 Times in 3,908 Posts
|
Was just watching the news, not sure if its been mentioned, care too little to check, but the nurse that committed suicide wasn't even the one who disclosed information it was the first nurse that answered the phone and transferred the call
| |
| | |
12-08-2012, 04:37 AM
|
#37 | | What hasn't Killed me, has made me more tolerant of RS!
Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada
Posts: 176
Thanked 20 Times in 7 Posts
| Quote:
Originally Posted by StylinRed you've got to be fucking kidding me she committed suicide?!
or did the queen have her killed, i wouldn't be surprised  | This. Posted via RS Mobile | |
| | |
12-08-2012, 10:32 AM
|
#38 | | The RS Freebie guru
Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: East Vancouver
Posts: 22,032
Thanked 2,491 Times in 860 Posts
| Quote:
Originally Posted by Meowjin Why am I getting failed? Do any of you even work in hospitals to know that you DON'T disclose information over the phone unless requested to by the patient.
Why would the QUEEN be making the phone call herself? | Again, she wasn't even the nurse that disclosed the information! She just merely transferred the call to the nurse that did!
| |
| | |
12-08-2012, 02:18 PM
|
#39 | | Willing to sell body for a few minutes on RS
Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: North vancouver
Posts: 12,089
Thanked 31,165 Times in 7,156 Posts
| Quote:
Originally Posted by InvisibleSoul If a bully repeatedly and continuously taunts and torments the victim and the victim commits suicide, I won't argue that the bully is responsible.
| I have to disagree. People can easily remove themselves from a situation of the sort. Suicide is only caused by one person. If I put a gun to my head and pull the trigger, I am the only one that could have made that choice to pull it. I have a fairly calloused view on it though, and opinions are just opinions I suppose. Its a shame, but I don't believe the DJ's should be held responsible. I mean, it was dumb as fuck, and in poor taste, and they should be held responsible for that part of it, but how the fuck could they ever think someone would kill themselves over something so trivial.
| |
| | |
12-08-2012, 09:34 PM
|
#40 | | I am Hook'd on RS
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 56
Thanked 57 Times in 23 Posts
| Quote:
Originally Posted by StylinRed you've got to be fucking kidding me she committed suicide?!
or did the queen have her killed, i wouldn't be surprised | i wouldn't be surprised too but that would seem a bit overboard since it's not unknown to the world that kate is pregnant (i'd probably go after the DJs if i were her). now diana on the other hand is another story... 'you shamed charles and the royal family so i'll have you killed'
RIP to the nurse.. and i really want to give those poor children a hug for losing their mommy
i dunno how upset kate would be about this but i'd be really upset knowing that someone decided to end their life because of her and the unborn baby =(
| |
| | |
12-08-2012, 09:40 PM
|
#41 | | Willing to sell body for a few minutes on RS
Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: North vancouver
Posts: 12,089
Thanked 31,165 Times in 7,156 Posts
|
No one decided to end their life over kate and the baby. Thats fucking ridiculous. Someone decided to end their life because they wanted to, and it was the perfect opportunity for a scapegoat.
| |
| | |
12-09-2012, 01:28 PM
|
#42 | | VLS Head Mod
Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: E Van
Posts: 8,002
Thanked 911 Times in 396 Posts
|
As much as the result sucks, and I feel really sorry for the family, I don't think the djs are responsible. Sure they pulled a prank but I remember a certain dj in Kamloops doing the same prank calls and no one ever killed themselves. The situation isn't something severe enough to take your life over.
Posted via RS Mobile | |
| | |
12-09-2012, 02:24 PM
|
#43 | | I bringith the lowerballerith
Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: vancouver
Posts: 1,149
Thanked 457 Times in 190 Posts
|
isnt there some sort of law for impersonation to obtain confidential/private info...?
even identity theft maybe? use fake identity to obtain information that is relevant to the fakee's life??
| |
| | |
12-09-2012, 04:28 PM
|
#44 | | I have named my kids VIC and VLS
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 36,448
Thanked 14,325 Times in 5,641 Posts
|
no offence but i have a hard time believing you "feel really sorry" for the family, im sure the thought will never cross your mind again a week from now.
__________________
Dank memes cant melt steel beams
| |
| | |
12-09-2012, 04:58 PM
|
#45 | | I bringith the lowerballerith
Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: vancouver
Posts: 1,149
Thanked 457 Times in 190 Posts
| Quote:
Originally Posted by Hondaracer no offence but i have a hard time believing you "feel really sorry" for the family, im sure the thought will never cross your mind again a week from now. | no offence but i have a hard time believing you "have a hard time believing" she is really sorry. im sure the thought will never cross your mind again from a week from now.
cant she feel sorry for the moment and not later for it to be genuine...
| |
| | |
12-09-2012, 06:49 PM
|
#46 | | Hacked RS to become a mod
Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Sunny Hong Kong
Posts: 52,336
Thanked 23,816 Times in 8,190 Posts
|
To the people saying they "wouldn't be surprised" if the queen had her killed
Get your fucking heads checked  | |
| | |
12-10-2012, 01:04 AM
|
#47 | | My AFC gave me an ABS CEL code of LOL while at WOT!
Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: vancouver, B.C.
Posts: 1,843
Thanked 563 Times in 229 Posts
| Quote:
Originally Posted by subordinate You could make the same case about cyber bullying. Just because I tell a secret about the person and they kill themselves, is it my fault? | You can't compare one prank call that was intended to be for humor the same as a bullying incident. Quote: |
The DJ's went beyond a joke. Royal family...calling the hospital - (who really knew the severity of her health)......The DJ's should have at least had some foresight into the possible consequences of their actions.
| I don't agree with your line of reasoning and I think it is only based only on your ability to understand the situation after the events unfolded (hindsight bias). No one can predict that a death could occur from this prank call or they wouldn't have done it. Would you blame the woman herself for not being able to see the consequences of her own actions by transferring the call without checking who it was on the phone? She made a pretty big assumption there herself based on some horrible impersonations. Even English common law, which is what Canada and the UK is based on, would disagree with you on the section on foreseeability (criminal law):
"a man should be responsible for the necessary or probable consequences of his act"... "judged by the standard of the reasonable man that he ought to have foreseen them". With your line of reasoning, we can apply that to a whole lot of situations.
We also don't know what else was going through her mind at the time, maybe she was already depressed or suffered from some kind of condition and this was the trigger. As someone mentioned, her name might not even have been released. My comment on her being a selfish person stands. If she let an incident like this make her kill herself, she is a weak human being. Most of the people that heard the show didn't even know who she was with her 2 second switchboard operator role, never mind any mental image of her. Now that she's killed herself she's done the opposite - how ironic, her name and picture are everywhere and that's how she'll always be remembered now.
edit: just saw your reply - you weren't very clear what you meant by 'consequences'. Quote: |
And by foresight, I didn't mean suicide. The Dj's should have knew that whoever took the call, could have been reprimanded for releasing such information.
| I would agree and I think this is more an ethical question, though not necessarily criminal. This incident has only served to indicate that the hospital needs to update their confidentiality policy and/or retrain some of the staff.
__________________
Cars:
02' Lexus IS300 5spd
07' BMW 323iA
05' BMW Z4 5spd
06' BMW 330i 6spd
10' Audi A4 quattro
08' BMW M3 6spd
15' Kawasaki Ninja300
08' Yamaha R6
10' Honda Ridgeline
17' Audi Q5
16' BMW X5D
Last edited by bing; 12-10-2012 at 01:41 AM.
| |
| | |
12-10-2012, 09:21 AM
|
#48 | | Willing to sell body for a few minutes on RS
Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: North vancouver
Posts: 12,089
Thanked 31,165 Times in 7,156 Posts
| Quote:
Originally Posted by bing If she let an incident like this make her kill herself, she is a weak human being. | Everything can be summed up with this. IF she didn't kill herself this week, it would have happened the next when she came up to another inevitable speed bump in the road. Its to the point of where what happened and her death are barely more than a coincidence.
| |
| | |
12-10-2012, 02:24 PM
|
#49 | | I answer every Emotion with an emoticon
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 7,655
Thanked 443 Times in 188 Posts
| Quote:
Originally Posted by falcon Any of you guys every listen to Cpt. Scotty on the fox? he makes prank calls like this all the time and they are halarious. It's not the DJ's fault, it's the person at the hospital for disclosing the information. What make them think it was OK to give out info over the phone? Take for instance the Costal Health person here who looked up info on "local news people" and got fired. It's your own damn fault, and if this type of thing made you commit suicide, then... well, there were other issues or you were just a weak minded perosn. | Yeah, I love the Jeff O'Neill show!
I think the DJs are at zero fault, the people taking the call fucked up, and no part of any of this is worthy of a suicide but there it is.
I wonder how badly her boss chewed her out afterwards, maybe that was a factor when SHE DECIDED to kill HERSELF.
Nothing about Kate Middleton is worth any attention which makes this even more outrageous, she's just famous for being famous. Almost anyone with a decent job has done more with their life.
__________________ Quote:
Originally Posted by MajinHurricane who would ban me? lol. Look at my post count. | | |
| | |
12-10-2012, 11:35 PM
|
#50 | | I am Hook'd on RS
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 56
Thanked 57 Times in 23 Posts
| Quote:
Originally Posted by westopher No one decided to end their life over kate and the baby. Thats fucking ridiculous. Someone decided to end their life because they wanted to, and it was the perfect opportunity for a scapegoat. | i meant it in an indirect way, the whole morning sickness and being admitted to the hospital was what sparked the prank call and subsequent suicide no? Quote:
Originally Posted by westopher Everything can be summed up with this. IF she didn't kill herself this week, it would have happened the next when she came up to another inevitable speed bump in the road. Its to the point of where what happened and her death are barely more than a coincidence. | i don't know if i'm understanding you correctly but you seem to have this notion that this lady is suicidal? why do you think it's inevitable that she'll eventually kill herself? there's been no reports/news saying that she is, unless you've read this in other sources (and if that is the case, please do share - i like to read about it too)
i also don't think people who are suicidal or planning a suicide would actually think about a "perfect opportunity" or finding a "scapegoat" for their deaths. suicide is a very private matter/decision and studies have shown that people with suicidal inclinations spend most of their time planning their departure (ie: giving away their most prized possessions, donating their assets, making sure family members and/or pets are being taken care of) hence i have a hard time understanding why this lady would kill herself, did she not think about the fact that her children would be without a mother? her husband without a wife? i understand people make rash decisions but in this case her decision makes me go "hmmm..." =\
anyway, we don't even know what the cause of death is at the moment, it's just being speculated that it's suicide. the police haven't provided much details as it's still investigating... in the mean time, i look forward to reading the results of the autopsy.
| |
| | | |
Posting Rules
| You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
| | |
All times are GMT -8. The time now is 01:32 AM.
|
You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!
The banners on the left side and below do not show for registered users!
