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William Rodriguez, a janitor working in the North Tower of the World Trade Center building in New York, helped rescue thousands on that Tuesday morning.
Rodriguez is In Tehran to attend the 3rd Hollywoodism International Conference. In a press conference at Tehran's Fars News Agency, he discussed the events of the 9/11 attacks.
A good number of intellectual speakers that I see on PressTV news have attended this conference but Malcolm X's grandson, the activist, is being held by the FBI for trying to go there.
If the 911 attack was an inside job by the American government, it makes the loss of lives, property damage, etc. even more tough to swallow.
That would be so messed up. A government inflicting a so called terrorist attack upon its own people. Then it spends billions of dollars and about ten years of time to catch the mastermind behind the attack, Bin Laden, and kill him. A guy that the U.S. military provided training for his organization.
With natural resources in Iraq and Afghanistan to be plundered, the geopolitical control of the energy rich middle east and the petro-dollar being threatened by once CIA asset Saddam for switching to Euros... its not surprising that this kind of conquering is repeated over and over again by the NWO elites.
I remember a William Rodriguez documentary where he describes seeing people with flesh falling off them after the explosions in the basement where he was.
The number of people it would require to make all of that fakery would be insanely impressive. And then they would all have to have not said ANYTHING about it for now nearly a dozen years. While I am a firm believer that we don't know everything, and that some questions will most likely not be answered in my lifetime, I am a firm believer in the idea that this specifically was not a false-flag operation. There is a bunch of bullshit we don't hear about, but there's just...yeah, no.
Think about it from this angle: If it were a false flag operation, then wouldn't they have been ready to take advantage of it? I don't mean in terms of launching wars that haven't won them anything and have actually killed more people than died in the attacks, I mean in terms of rallying the country together and starting the New American Empire.
Who here remembers how much HUGE outpouring of sympathy there was from pretty much the entire fucking world when 9/11 happened? And who else remembers that within MONTHS of that, everyone was back to being angry and bitter at 'Murrica because they decided that instead of stopping to think "hey, maybe this is the chance we have to understand what we've been doing to the rest of the world and stop and take the hands that're outstretched towards us in freindship so we can make the world a better place.", they said "NOW WE GOTS US A REASON TO GIT T' WAHR!"
If it were a conspiracy, don't you think they'd've rebuilt the towers faster than they have? I mean, it's just yet another giant clusterfuck. The hypotheses that are always given by conspiracy theorists are that all the people in the conspiracy are highly organized and tightly controlled. Where's the control for the big picture? If they managed all those teensy tiny details...where's the control in the big picture (which is usually where the conspiracy should have been aimed).
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i dont think it would take a lot of people at all... cia trained al-qaeda
a handler tells bin-laden (or fake bin-laden as some seem to believe) to use planes to hit the towers (usa trains them to fly as evidenced)
mossad plants bombs (they were at the site this is known)
booooom
assassinate handler, maybe even the mossad agents
rescue/extract/arrest bin laden (or fake bin laden)
kill off seal team (they died remember we're just told not the same ones or all of them died)
booom every grunt with knowledge is dead
anyone else who "knows" or "finds out" gets lambasted by others as a crazy tin-foil psycho who was discharged/fired from their relevant positions because of psychological issues or are disgruntled former employees
^^^ same scenario has been used before even with known false-flag fiasco's
even having said that though i dunno... hard to believe but hey not impossible
Well first of all he was the biggest hero of that day, rather then run out of the building after such explosions and the tower burning, he unlocked doors for many hundreds? to escape... but his account of the day was kept secret from the final report... why?
edit - also to have such a riveting story with other witnesses in the basement that survived, he would be quickly called out if he was lying.
One of his testimonies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnyqmVtC_qw
If the 911 attack was an inside job by the American government, it makes the loss of lives, property damage, etc. even more tough to swallow.
That would be so messed up. A government inflicting a so called terrorist attack upon its own people. Then it spends billions of dollars and about ten years of time to catch the mastermind behind the attack, Bin Laden, and kill him. A guy that the U.S. military provided training for his organization.
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I am. And I'm calling you an idiot for believing in this BS. You were owned last time, Arash, in the 9/11 conspiracy thread. Now you're back for more punishment?
Why is it conspiracy nuts always go for the most complex solution? Let's say the US needed a reason to go to war. There are 101 ways they could achieve that goal.
For example, setting off bombs in several elementary schools killing harmless children. Or worse yet, beheading children on live TV after taking over control roomsat local stations. This would generate as much rage as flying planes into the towers at a fraction of the cost in lives and property. And it would be a cakewalk to organize compared to trying to bring down the WTC towers.
But no, let's go for a ridiculously complex plan instead. "Start the un-necessarily slow dipping mechanism" comes to mind.
even if its an inside job, the government will not admit it any time soon... why bother arguing? the world is too complex for any of us to understand because we dont have all the information
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I am. And I'm calling you an idiot for believing in this BS. You were owned last time, Arash, in the 9/11 conspiracy thread. Now you're back for more punishment?
Why is it conspiracy nuts always go for the most complex solution? Let's say the US needed a reason to go to war. There are 101 ways they could achieve that goal.
For example, setting off bombs in several elementary schools killing harmless children. Or worse yet, beheading children on live TV after taking over control roomsat local stations. This would generate as much rage as flying planes into the towers at a fraction of the cost in lives and property. And it would be a cakewalk to organize compared to trying to bring down the WTC towers.
But no, let's go for a ridiculously complex plan instead. "Start the un-necessarily slow dipping mechanism" comes to mind.
I can agree, it's perceivable that easier and simpler things could be done to spark wars, but at that time much of America was against a new war, vehemently against one, so something major needed to be done... or allowed to happen
like how its believed the US knew the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbour but allowed it to happen so that the US would have cause to enter WW2 something the whole country was against until then (and again with the Vietnam War and the Gulf of Tonkin incident)
Or if the US were wanting to make another "enemy" on the scale of the "Commies"
minor incidents as you mentioned wouldn't create an enemy on that scale; on the other hand something like 911 would
why? to fuel the military industrial complex and to make strategic acquisitions to insure future sustainability and fields of power/influence
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Oh, quick history lesson by the way. The first video that you posted does say that Osama was backed by the US....against soviet troops. That was during the cold war.
This might be a bit trippy for you:
But you see, over time, relationships can change. The Americans didn't want the Afghani warriors to defeat the Russians. They didn't want the Russians pushed back. They wanted them bogged down. Distracted. Thrown into a meat grinder. And so while the Yanks gave them weapons and ammo, it was never enough to actually win. It was always basic and simple weapons. Funnily enough, when the Afghanis asked for anti-aircraft missiles to take out the Russian strike helicopters, the Yanks turned them down saying that they would be 'too complicated to use'. The killer bit? They're literally point and shoot. Put the thing you want to kill in the crosshairs, wait until you hear a steady tone, then push a button.
Let's look at three potential situations:
One: The Americans never lent the Afghanis any support. The Soviets would have pushed through Afghanistan and had a pathway through towards Iran (back then, again, another US-backed regime. See how we can see the change in relationships over time?). This would then have allowed the soviets to control almost all the east/west connections between continental Europe and the East as well as having easy access to Africa.
Two: The Americans go balls to the wall with support and give the Afghanis everything they need to push back the Russkis. Once the Russkis are gone, the Afghanis are a wild card. They could go on a rampage, they could ignore the yanks and everyone else, or they could go crazy with the weapons they got and say "we don't want ANYONE here, so we'll kill Americans too!"
Three: What happened. They were given just enough support to bog them down. Afghani fighters and people got bitter and angry and started planning the downfall of the Imperial American Dogs (tm).
I really don't think the Americans expected the Cold War to end the way it did. I'm pretty sure they were expecting it to be an actual hot war in the end and for them to be able to move in their troops eventually and be declared the victors in an all-out battle and be declared heroes by the people of the world. The Cold War was like playing a chess game to make sure the other guy doesn't win. If you do, you're extremely surprised that your strategy worked, 'cause you weren't aiming to win, just to make sure he didn't.
With these kinds of things, historical perspective and context are always crucial. Remember again that Bin Laden was not an Afghani. He was actually a Saudi national who resided primarily in Afghanistan and became a sort of warrior-priest-general kind of guy.
So yes. Once, he was supported by the Americans. And trained by the Americans. And supplied by the Americans. To fight the soviets. Do you remember that conflict CiC? Because I don't. The only thing I really remember was watching the news one day and the Berlin Wall falling. And the only reason I remember that is because my parents were ridiculously happy and I had no idea why.
History is in a way much more like Transformers than you'd expect. There's more than meets the eye.
1979 is the year of the Islamic revolution.
Seeing how western bankers overthrew the Russian monarch in the 1900's and played both sides of wars to create chaos and gain power, I think this control could've very well extended until the collapse of the Soviet union.
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even if its an inside job, the government will not admit it any time soon... why bother arguing? the world is too complex for any of us to understand because we dont have all the information
Personally I'd like to talk about Kim Kardashian and her new chubby body, but I dont think the moderators would appreciate a thread dedicated to her.
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holy shit nutball Truthers have had over 11 years to come up with one shred of evidence or even a coherent conspiracy theory and still nothing?
You only need a physics 12 education to realize that a buildings steel structure and concrete doesnt snap and turn into dust because of a raging fire.
1979 is the year of the Islamic revolution.
Seeing how western bankers overthrew the Russian monarch in the 1900's and played both sides of wars to create chaos and gain power, I think this control could've very well extended until the collapse of the Soviet union.
Ah, but then you're saying that the bankers were playing America and Russia against each other to create the conflict? So wouldn't that mean that they are also behind 9/11, if they're in control of America? So it's not really America who's doing any of it, it's the Bankers...
...Which means it wasn't an inside job, it was a conspiracy from without.
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