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Old 01-27-2016, 05:47 PM   #376
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Dude, your comment about smaller is generally better is completely false. worldwide recognize brands such as whistle pig, templeton, etc buy most of their juice and than just finish blending it. Smaller suppliers do a great job marketing their great story, use great packaging, bottle, and cork stopper and then charge you $60+. Try a bottle of Jim beam blk 9yr or Alberta premium dark horse and let me know if it is good value.
I think we are both completely on a different tangent here, I still stand by my previous comment. However, do let me to explain as I didn't go into great detail previously.

My statement for smaller producers/distillers stand behind "scotch whisky", the ones that are regulated by the Scotch Whisky Association. It holds true for smaller producers. Do they buy juice from different distilleries? sure they do. But the actual product produced are comparable or better than what the big boys offers (popular big name brands).

Also, I was in a way referencing the distillers that have smaller budgets and kept marketing to a minimum, and instead chose to focus on the quality of spirits produced. So bringing up Whistle Pig or Templeton as examples are kind of a moot point. Alot of their stuff are sub par quality, borderlining Jack Daniels. Pretty decent though for mixing with sprite/coke.

Apple and oranges, Alberta Premium, Jim Beam? that's rye talk. The majority of what I refer to or talk about.. point towards malts and grain blends.

Again, to each and their own, I've had Alberta springs 10 for example, quite tasty, but packs a punch like the Aberlour/Ardbeg 10. So back to what you said about value. Welllllll, it's all up in the air and debatable. Don't want to pull the Crown Royal Harvest in here, but it can't really be pitted against say the Balvenie for example; because they are fundamentally different except maybe for the aging in the barrels.
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Looks like Johnnie Green has disappeared again!
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unfortunately they are worth what you paid for them. It is not like wine that gets better with age. Cognac is just distilled wine.
if thats the case Id buy one of the Hennessys off ya for what face value lol
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If I remember correctly, Z3guy works for Beam Suntory. And while it's great having someone in the industry posting in this thread, it's no coincidence Z3guy almost always only recommends we try Beam Suntory brands in his posts.
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If I remember correctly, Z3guy works for Beam Suntory. And while it's great having someone in the industry posting in this thread, it's no coincidence Z3guy almost always only recommends we try Beam Suntory brands in his posts.
I thought he's a lawyer and also work for BCLiquor

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Heard there will be no new shipment of it for 2016. A clerk at the BCLiquor store was nice enough to call up locations in Victoria and have them send over 6 bottles. I picked up 3 and the rest was quickly snapped up by others.

Over the past 2 weeks, there was alot of changing hands of the Green Label inventory. Langford in Victoria sent their unsold stock to various locations in the Lower Mainland.

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Was at the liquor store tonight. Picked up both the Alberta Premium and the Jim Beam Black.

Here's my verdict:
The Alberta lacked character and just wasn't very interesting overall.
Jim Beam was full of body that fills your mouth. I enjoyed it but I am not craving seconds compared to say Crown Harvest or 5ths in the case of the Sherry Cask Balvenie.
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Jim Beam Black is still a great deal for a $25 bottle of bourbon. It is my go-to for an everyday bourbon the sub $30 range.
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I've been going through my bottle of Basil Hayden's bourbon surprisingly fast.

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a bit pricier what i would call an everyday sipper but damn this stuff is good!
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If I remember correctly, Z3guy works for Beam Suntory. And while it's great having someone in the industry posting in this thread, it's no coincidence Z3guy almost always only recommends we try Beam Suntory brands in his posts.
You are correct, I do work for beam suntory. Also you are right I always do recommend beam suntory brands.......you know why? I happen to 99% of the time drink beam brands, hence I feel comfortable recommending them.......I definitely have a sinister plan for everyone to drink beam brands! Haha
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I think we are both completely on a different tangent here, I still stand by my previous comment. However, do let me to explain as I didn't go into great detail previously.

My statement for smaller producers/distillers stand behind "scotch whisky", the ones that are regulated by the Scotch Whisky Association. It holds true for smaller producers. Do they buy juice from different distilleries? sure they do. But the actual product produced are comparable or better than what the big boys offers (popular big name brands).

Also, I was in a way referencing the distillers that have smaller budgets and kept marketing to a minimum, and instead chose to focus on the quality of spirits produced. So bringing up Whistle Pig or Templeton as examples are kind of a moot point. Alot of their stuff are sub par quality, borderlining Jack Daniels. Pretty decent though for mixing with sprite/coke.

Apple and oranges, Alberta Premium, Jim Beam? that's rye talk. The majority of what I refer to or talk about.. point towards malts and grain blends.

Again, to each and their own, I've had Alberta springs 10 for example, quite tasty, but packs a punch like the Aberlour/Ardbeg 10. So back to what you said about value. Welllllll, it's all up in the air and debatable. Don't want to pull the Crown Royal Harvest in here, but it can't really be pitted against say the Balvenie for example; because they are fundamentally different except maybe for the aging in the barrels.
You know there aren't many scotch distilleries that are small anymore. Almost all of them are owned by multinational corporation. I am interested in your opinion who you believe produce more enjoyable scotch than "mass produced" products like macallan, highland park, or laphraiog?
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Jim Beam Black is still a great deal for a $25 bottle of bourbon. It is my go-to for an everyday bourbon the sub $30 range.
Obviously I am biased, but in my professional opinion, jb blk is one of the best value bourbons out there. It is a 9 yr old whiskey. Don't take my word for it, the San Francisco spirits awards gave jb blk a double gold medal, one the highest ratings regardless of price pts
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Was at the liquor store tonight. Picked up both the Alberta Premium and the Jim Beam Black.

Here's my verdict:
The Alberta lacked character and just wasn't very interesting overall.
Jim Beam was full of body that fills your mouth. I enjoyed it but I am not craving seconds compared to say Crown Harvest or 5ths in the case of the Sherry Cask Balvenie.
I can appreciate everyone has a different pallet, fair enough. but there is a reason David wolowidnyk, arguably the top mixologist in Vancouver uses Alberta premium as his main Canadian whiskey at West restaurant. Also, Jim Murray ranked Alberta premium Canadian whiskey of the year from 2010-2013. So you can like crown harvest but not Alberta premium when the top whiskey writer in Canada enjoys both?
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I'll start by claiming that I am definitely a super rookie whiskey taster so my virgin palette doesn't hold much weight, so to speak lol. So basically I just give my opinion on what goes through my mind when I'm drinking it. I just started getting into the whiskey world maybe 3-4 years ago, was mostly a red wine drinker before.
I do sip a dram or 5 quite often though, almost everyday, if not twice a day. Must slow down for my wallet and livers sake haha.

I find the Crown Harvest and Alberta Premium have completely different profiles. To an experienced whiskey guru I guess both are good in their own way?

My initial reaction with the AB Premium is that it has a slightly unpleasant burn in the beginning, no body in the mouth and zero lingering after the swallow. I prefer the JB Black which had quite a solid body on the roll.
I wrote a review on the CRNH earlier in the thread.
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Delightfully complex mouthful and smooth on the first sip. Very slight hint of spice but I caught a tinge of what I feel is like some green apple sweetness to it as I roll it around. Not as much linger as my other preferred whiskeys after the swallow.
However you won't see me lining up for it on next release lol, but I'll grab it if I see it on the shelf next time I'm wandering the liquor store ... it ain't THAT good.
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Also because personally I like the slightly sweeter whiskeys compared to strong peaty ones. I don't think I'll ever get into Highland Park and Macallan due to their peaty nature.

Talisker is also highly rated but, omg I gave my bottle away lol. Way too smokey, almost felt like someone blew a cigar into my glass.

Another few whiskeys I tried at my friends house; did not like the Kavalan Single Malt, but the Concertmaster was delicious!
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Obsideon, learning about the different style of whiskies is a great thing because they are all so different once you really get into. I can respect your pallet about not liking AB Premium, it is one of the bolder spicier 100% Rye Whiskies. Personally, that's why I like it more so than Crown Harvest or Canadian Club 100% Rye.

If you like sweeter Single Malts, try any sherry cask Macallan products Vs amercian oak Macallan products. Also try Bowmore 12 year, one of the least peaty Islay whiskies.

Have fun exploring man!
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Obsideon, if you love sweeter single malts, try this: Glenmorangie Sauternes Cask Finish 12yo

Absolutely delicious if you love sweeter, fruity malts. I bought a bottle on a trip for $50 and it was gone in a flash. So delicious and accessible! I also love Sauternes wines but the chance of me having another whole bottle of Chateau d'Yquem 2005 to myself is pretty rare... thanks Emirates First Class!
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Obviously I am biased, but in my professional opinion, jb blk is one of the best value bourbons out there. It is a 9 yr old whiskey. Don't take my word for it, the San Francisco spirits awards gave jb blk a double gold medal, one the highest ratings regardless of price pts
Six year old actually. Used to be 9 years old, but I believe they switched it to six years a year or so ago.
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any suggestions on cognac 30-80 dollar range. that arnt Hennessy, Remy.

i drink alot of the big named cognacs but looking to try new brands!
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Obsideon, if you love sweeter single malts, try this: Glenmorangie Sauternes Cask Finish 12yo

Absolutely delicious if you love sweeter, fruity malts. I bought a bottle on a trip for $50 and it was gone in a flash. So delicious and accessible! I also love Sauternes wines but the chance of me having another whole bottle of Chateau d'Yquem 2005 to myself is pretty rare... thanks Emirates First Class!
Yes! I actually have a little bit of that one left, both Glenmorangie Nectar D'or and the Quinta Ruban are very good! I like the Quinta a bit more, it's "softer". However right now I am all 'bout dat Balv
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Martell is incredible. I got my hands on a VS from the states and damn it's so good.
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What actually matters is whether or not you find it delicious or not, is it an enjoyable sipper? If it ticks all the boxes for you, it won't matter what the whiskey is distilled from.

Let us know how you like it after you try it, it's always good for long time whisky drinkers to toss it up and have some rum, cognac, bourbon, etc. It's fun.
Aaite so I picked me up a bottle and i'm back with a review!

Very impressed with the flavor, not so much with design of the label. It's 45% so it's got a good kick afterwards but really smooth and creamy along with fragrant spices. A friend who likes his single malts (and didn't think it would be good) had some with me and was pleasantly surprised. I prefer Cognac in most cases so this was quite comparable in a Whiskey form. It's definitely bang for the buck and I think anyone will like it if they are okay with it being made form rye or truthfully, as I now know, corn. lol

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