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My guess is that Gillis is trying to keep the core of our team intact, and hope that Torts can improve the development of our young players like Kassian and Santorelli so that we have a balanced team on offence.
-sort of trying to emulate San Jose with its veteran stars Thornton and Marleau, and the young guys like Pavelski, Couture, and Burns.
This season and the playoffs will be used to determine whether the Sedins are worth it in the long run to be Canucks in terms of our playoff success. Do you keep the twins or do a complete rebuild of the first line?
Santorelli is hardly a young guy. He turns 28 in December so he's already developed. He just needs to show he deserves top six minutes. Posted via RS Mobile
So with that recapture they moved the age to 35? Cause it used to be 32 no? Posted via RS Mobile
Cap Recapture is brand new.
Have fun ...
For any SPC entered into prior to the execution date of this
Agreement (including any binding Memorandum of
Understanding) that has a term in excess of six (6) League Years
("Long-Term Contracts"), the Averaged Amount of such Long-
Term Contracts shall be calculated and included in a Club's
Averaged Club Salary in accordance with Section 50.5(d)(ii) above
so long as the Player is playing or is injured and is being paid
pursuant to his SPC.
For any period during which the Player under a Long-Term
Contract is no longer playing in the League during the term of that
Long-Term Contract by reason of retirement, "defection" from the
NHL or otherwise (but not death) (such that he is not playing and
is not receiving Salary pursuant to that Long-Term Contract), an
amount attributable to that Player shall nonetheless continue to be
included in his Club's Averaged Club Salary as described below.
(1) Upon that Player's failure to play in the League by reason
of retirement, "defection" from the NHL or otherwise (but
not death) (such that he is not playing and is not receiving
Salary pursuant to his Long-Term Contract) (assuming it is
prior to the conclusion of the Long-Term Contract), the
difference between the sum of the Actual Salary and
Bonuses received by that Player under that SPC and the
sum of the Averaged Amounts charged against the Club's
Averaged Club Salary under that SPC shall be calculated as
(i) First, calculate the total Actual Salary and
Bonuses paid to that Player under that SPC ("Total
Payment") until the date of such retirement, defection or
otherwise (but not death);
(ii) Second, calculate the total Averaged
Amount charged against the Club's Averaged Club Salary
for the Player under that SPC ("Total Cap Charge") until
the date of such retirement, defection or otherwise (but not
(iii) Subtract Total Cap Charge from Total
Payment. That number shall be referred to as the "Cap
(iv) The Cap Advantage Recapture shall be
charged against the Club's Averaged Club Salary in equal
proportions in each League Year over the remaining term
of the SPC (i.e., the yearly charge shall be calculated by
dividing the Cap Advantage Recapture by the number of
seasons remaining under that SPC).
(v) In the event of a "bona-fide" mid-season
retirement, the Cap Advantage Recapture as calculated
above shall be charged against the Club's Averaged Club
Salary beginning in the League Year following the Player's
retirement (provided, however, that in the event such
"bona-fide" mid-season retirement occurs in the final
League Year of an SPC, any Cap Advantage Recapture
charge shall be included in the Club's Averaged Club
Salary in the following League Year). In such cases, there
shall be no charge against the Club's Averaged Club Salary
for the remainder of the League Year in which the Player
retires. The parties shall discuss in good faith the treatment
of a Cap Advantage Recapture charge in the case of a
retirement "orchestrated" for the sole purpose of delaying
the Cap Advantage Recapture charge to the following
League Year, and failing agreement, shall arbitrate the
Illustration #3: Assume that a Player signed a seven-year SPC beginning
in the 2010-11 League Year with an Averaged Amount of $5 million and
Actual Salary and Bonuses of the following amounts:
Year 1: $7,600,000
Year 2: $7,600,000
Year 3: $7,200,000
Year 4: $7,000,000
Year 5: $4,000,000
Year 6: $1,000,000
Year 7: $600,000
Assume that the Player retires after Year 5. The Total Payment equals the
total Actual Salary and Bonuses paid to the Player through Year 5, which
is $33.4 million (i.e., $7.6 million plus $7.6 million plus $7.2 million plus
$7 million plus $4 million). The Total Cap Charge equals the total
Averaged Club Salary for the Player through Year 5, which is $25 million
(i.e., $5 million times five years). Therefore, the Cap Advantage
Recapture for this SPC is $33.4 million minus $25 million, or $8.4
million. That amount will be recaptured by charging $4.2 million against
the Club's Averaged Club Salary in the subsequent League Year (Year 6)
and charging $4.2 million against the Club's Averaged Club Salary in the
next League Year (Year 7).
(2) Notwithstanding the provisions of Sections 50.5(d)(ii)(A)
and (B), in the event that any such Long-Term Contract is
Assigned during its term, each Club for which the Player
plays under the terms of that Long-Term Contract shall be
subject to being charged with any and all "Cap Advantage
Recapture" amounts it receives pursuant to that Long-Term
Contract, provided, however, that if a Club Traded a Long-
Term Contract prior to the execution of this Agreement
(including any binding Memorandum of Understanding)
under which it gained a "cap advantage," the "Cap
Advantage Recapture" shall not apply to that Club for that
Long-Term Contract. For purposes of clarity, the Club to
whom such Long-Term Contract was Assigned after the
execution of this Agreement (including any binding
Memorandum of Understanding) shall be subject to the Cap
Advantage Recapture (if any).
Illustration #4: Using the example above, assume the Player is Traded
from Club X to Club Y on July 1, 2012 (after Year 2), and then retires
after Year 4. In each of Years 5, 6 and 7, Club Y would be charged $1.4
million for a total Cap Advantage Recapture of $4.2 million (i.e., the total
"Cap Advantage" over Years 3 and 4 of the SPC -- $2.2 million in Year 3
and $2 million in Year 4). Even though Club X received a "Cap
Advantage" in Years 1 and 2, because it Traded the SPC before the
execution of this Agreement, it shall not be subject to any Cap Advantage
Recapture for that SPC.
Illustration #5: Using the example above, assume the Player retires halfway
(42 games) through Year 5 and such retirement is deemed to be "bona
fide." To that point, the Total Payment equals the total Actual Salary and
Bonuses paid to the Player through one-half of Year 5, which is $31.4
million (i.e., $7.6 million plus $7.6 million plus $7.2 million plus $7
million plus $2 million). The Total Cap Charge equals the total Averaged
Club Salary for the Player through one-half of Year 5, which is $22.5
million (i.e., $5 million times four-and-a-half years). Therefore, the Cap
Advantage Recapture for this SPC is $31.4 million minus $22.5 million, or
$8.9 million. That amount will be recaptured over the remaining two full
years by charging $4.45 million against the Club's Averaged Club Salary
in Years 6 and 7.
So with that recapture they moved the age to 35? Cause it used to be 32 no? Posted via RS Mobile
basically cap recapture closes the old LUPOL of gm's throwing huge money to players in the first few years, then pennies towards the end of the contract with the expectation that they will retire before their contract ends, thereby decreasing the average annual salary (caphit) to the team.
with the new/current cba, annual salaries cannot deviate by more than 10% each season I believe, which eliminates a gm's ability to front load a contract. and contracts can only be a max of 8 years long so the money can't be spread out as long as before (ie. 13 years) so we'll end up seeing higher average annual salaries as a result.
so the only risk a team has now by signing a player long term and having them retire before the contract is over is if the player is 35+ when signing the contract which was a carry over from the old cba (i think). the entire remaining contract counts against the team's cap. so you won't see guys 35+ signing the 7-8 year deals, but 34 and under for sure, since there isn't really any risk to the team.
Canucks can see the backlash that the Send and Melnyk got with the whole Alfie situation, so I don't think they'll pull the same stunt on the Sedins Posted via RS Mobile
the Sens losing Alfie for nothing will be nothing compared to losing the Sedins for nothing. Alfie is into the moonlight years of his career, by all accounts this will be his last year in the league before calling it quits. His old contract with the Sens was structured the way it was in anticipation of him retiring after 2011-12; the Sens got his services last year for 1M. For perspective, that is the same as what Maxim Lapierre was paid last season. The Sens didn't really lose a whole lot asset-wise by letting Alfie walk, aside from their longtime captain and heart and soul of the franchise.
The Sedins are arguably still in the primes of their careers. by the way things are looking they can have 2-3 elite seasons left in them, and another 2-5 solid 2nd/3rd line worthy seasons after that. These assets are not something you would let walk away for nothing. So if you don't sign them, you have to trade them. But nobody would be willing to pay the equivalent of what they would be worth to us over the next 8 years since they'll need to be moved as a pair, if you could even place a value of what they would be worth on the trade market. So really, the only option you're left with is to sign them for 3 years and swallow a high cap hit then re-sign them again after that or let them walk; or re-sign them to the max 8 years to save 2M caphit, which will in all likelihood be the last meaningful contracts of their careers.
All that talent on the Oilers and they still suck so bad. I really thought the Oilers would be much better this season and this awful. I do feel that at some point in the near future this Oilers team will explode like the Avs and be a dominate team. The two key areas I see for improvement for the Oilers is their defense and a need for a solid goalie. They might have to trade a prospect to get to the next level, lets see how ballsy McTavish is.
And as for the Sedins, I personally don't see them leaving Vancouver. They love the city, their the faces of the Canucks franchise and even though they have their ups and downs it would be very hard to replace both of them and I personally think it would mess up the team chemistry if they every left. And when I think of the Sedins leaving, I think of the Flamers without Iginla. It feels weird not seeing Iginla in a Flamers jersey because he was the face of the team.
It's a telling stat that the Leafs' top line was plus 4 and the Oilers line was minus 4. They simply got dominated. The rebuild that Tambellini did has not worked out so far at all. I don't think they will explode in the near future. That's been the thought for almost four years now. Until they get a top dman and a goalie who can stop a beach ball, they will continue to suck.
Someone might have posted this some pages back, but pretty cool feature on Bure.
I don't even think it's a personnel problem in Edmonton. It's been the same story for years; terrible culture. Coach after coach after coach has gone through the franchise saying the same thing. MacT, Pat Quinn, Tom Renney, Ralph Krueger, and now Dallas Eakins have all got the same result because it's a problem the coaches have no control over.
MacT called out the players for being lazy, refusing to listen, etc.
Krueger never did, but you could see the results were the same.
Eakins benched Yakupov and Oilers fans went nuts.
"He's not competitive enough or fit enough to help us, so why put him back in? He's never been fit enough to help us," Oilers head coach Craig MacTavish told the Sun. "We signed him to be a top-two line player and that's kind of where it ended. The difference was we thought the contract was a starting point, and he's viewed it as a finish line.
"What we've seen is inconsistency, we need him to be a better player," MacTavish told the Sun. "You can't just continue to throw gratuitous ice time at a guy that is that inconsistent. Something's got to change.
"The frustrating thing for me is that he's got the game and he just can't find it. You have to put the work in. He's got the game. He's got a great set of tools, he just lacks the horsepower."
We've heard the same of Hemsky, Horcoff, etc. and now we're hearing it with Yakupov. RNH signed to a $6M/year long-term contract for doing nothing. Yakupov knows he'll get the same regardless of performance because of his pedigree.
Souray nearly had his career ended because he called the organization out.
"I got challenged by management on the very first day of my first training camp. The very first day," he said. "They said, ‘When are you going to play?’ I said, ‘I have a six month (shoulder) injury and I’m at five months.’ But I played.
"I’ve had the experience of playing in great organizations (in New Jersey and Montreal), and experienced a vastly different approach to things like that. I was a captain in Montreal. I never had my character questioned there, or in New Jersey. I feel that’s all I’ve had since I’ve been here.’"
“You talk about Prongs (Chris Pronger) and guys like that, and it should raise an eyebrow when players who leave town are skipping out with a smile on their face.”
Is it any wonder that Hemsky, Horcoff, and now RNH are always injured?
Is it any wonder that as soon as guys leave the Oilers, they start playing substantially better with substantially more effort?
Edmonton will never be a contender until they clear out upper management. The day Kevin Lowe gets canned is the day I'll be afraid of the Oilers.
Maybe after the new arena is built they will feel even greater pressure to show success. A lot of people are angry with the city for approving funding.
The old boys club at the executive level does need to be cleaned out. It would never happen, but can you imagine if Gretzky was part of the the management team.
Another obstacle for the Oilers is the lack of interest from players in wanting to play in Edmonton. That in itself creates a lot of issues. They need to draft their own players, develop them and resign to long contracts.
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Well when most people don't like the city itself AND the organization is not run well, its a double edged sword, nobody is going to want to go there. They have the power to fix one of those things to make Edmonton seem slightly more attractive to some players.
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The city is a hugeeee factor, honestly in this day and age of pro sports players can pick and choose as they like, especially when your a top 6 forward. Look at edmontons bottom six even, a lot of overpayment
When you could go to Edmonton or phx, la, fla, Tampa, the list goes on, even at 75% of what Edmonton is offering why would u go to Edmonton?
That's probably why half their team looks like their night job is on the rigs Posted via RS Mobile