"Hey Mom and Dad, what is in that burger?"

[SkinnyPupp]

He said something about promoting anglo whites in some war.. what the fuck does that have to do with hamburgers???

If he wants to participate like a normal person, he won't get banned. Eventually it will happen enough I think that he'll eventually stop.

He's wrong anyway, and arguing back and forth isn't going to change that.

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by dinosaur

To play devil's advocate here....I don't think he is that off topic with this burger/decay talk. I mean...we are talking about the quality/health/additives/etc. of McDonald's food, no?

Could have done without the random army shit, but for the most part, all his posts have been on-topic...

Why jut pick on McDonald's. What about every other food chain?

[dinosaur]

Originally Posted by Manic!

Why jut pick on McDonald's. What about every other food chain?

The OP was about McDonalds...I didn't single the company out...to me, fast food is all the same so I don't really give a shit.

My comment was specifically in reference to SkinnyPupp's comment on CiC.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

bash mcdonalds all u guys like...

but when you're on your couch there... snacking on your chocolate bars, or chips, or whatever other "snacks"...

i'd rather have a cheeseburger from mcdonalds.

it's not just one type of food u guys should target. it's your overall intake of food.

what do shove in your mouth everyday? what do u snack on?

I have no typical "snacks"... i don't even snack. I only eat meals. All the food I cook at home has nothing added. quinoa, plain. veggies microwaved, plain. I add pepper and lemon to fish.
i have fruits at home. and... that is it. I don't have anything else. If i REALLY wanna snack, i gotta eat fruits or fish or something.
I have no seasoning. I have no sauces.

The ONLY "junk" I eat is mcdonalds. I eat it like 1-3 times a week.

It really depends on your overall diet.

I'm not a foodie. I despise food actually. Of course I am only human, once in a while I cave in for something a bit oily and fatty and "unhealthy". but that's less than 3 times a week. no snacks. no pop. i barely even drink juice.

for those of you guys bashing mcdonalds... I hardly think a cheeseburger is worse than a bag of chips. or any 7-11 type snack. chocolate. chips. pop.

[Gridlock]

McD's is one of those companies that gets the bad press for an industry. Much like Wal-mart.

The problem with the discussion here is the definition of the term "natural" and "100% beef"

You, I and everyone in between know that McD's may be claiming 100% beef, but the definition of where in the cow that "beef" is coming from is up for grabs.

No one in this day and age can say that McDonalds can or should form an important part of a healthy diet. It's more a matter of "can your lifestyle in other areas handle the occasional McD intake"

I don't automatically think that when I have a $14 burger at Cactus Club that I'm eating a "healthier" burger...I assume that I'm getting a higher quality burger. The soda is the (exact)same, french fries are the exact same potatoes with less salt. It's the areas where McD's recipes amp up the flavor with salt and sugar that is the main problem, and have a ubiquitous network that gets multiple hits a week.

[BurnoutBinLaden]

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[Gridlock]

Originally Posted by BurnoutBinLaden

$14 for a burger at Cactus Club? Maybe before tax and tip.

...yup. You nailed the point of my post completely.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

in the end it doesn't really matter.

they are a multi billion dollar corporation that is "winning" and has tons of supporters.

all the nay sayers are the losers. and they cannot win. and will not win.

ants yelling at a god.


mcdonalds provides a service, and tons of ppl are willing to exchange their hard earned cash for whatever they have to offer. that's the end of the line.


like i have said and others have said.
if u eat like shit all the time. then... well, mcdonalds is just another thing on your list you have to fix.

if you eat healthy and lead a healthy life style. mcdonalds is just a treat.

[Graeme S]

This is how I feel whenever people bring up the unhealthiness of fast food. And yes, I know there are lots of people who have no choice but to consume copious amounts...but read on.

The Undeniable Facts About The Safety Of Diet Coke.

I sat down at the table with friends, enjoying our get-together at the diner. The waitress took my order for a Diet Coke. She left. A friend spoke up.

“They say that Diet Coke increases your chance of getting diabetes by a factor of seven.”

“I heard people were getting seizures from the aspartame in it.”

“Today the news said a lady died after drinking 10 liters of Coke.”

“That’s nice. Enjoy your glass of city water filled with chemicals like fluoride,” I replied.

Are you kidding me?

Not much for alcohol. Never smoked. Don’t do drugs, and barely take aspirin. I exercise at the gym three times a week. I walk to work briskly every day, which comes to around 3/4 of a mile daily. When I get home, I try to avoid sitting and work at a standing desk. I go for walks when weather allows. I don’t eat much red meat at all, mainly poultry if any. I drink plenty of water, and often it is in the form of green, white, or herbal teas. I don’t drink coffee. In other words, I’m not health-obsessed, but I do alright.

My two vices?

An occasional Diet Coke as a treat a couple of times a week (and not even full cans!) and chocolate.

There are two important facts about life:

• I am going to die.
• You are going to die.

Let’s just be honest: people who point out the inadequacies in my eating and health regimen are merely quibbling over the bet they’re placing that I’ll die first. You’re telling me I’m killing myself and it’s my fault. You almost hint that I can take the blame for any physical ailment coming my way. I propose that cellular degeneration and the natural order of things might get some blame, and not just that Snickers I ate yesterday.

Snow White’s poisoned apple is a metaphor for supermarkets.

“Oh, but it’s a quality of life thing.”

The fact that I’m not fixating on the perfect purity of my food and not doing it to those around me means I have a pretty good quality of life.

When I eat a burger, I am thankful I have food, and that I don’t have to go out and gut the cow myself.

As I’m standing in the grocery store, I think of some of the poorest people in Nicaragua I’ve seen living and scrounging for food near the garbage dump. I get a bit upset at the arrogance that says the strawberries or apples or oranges stacked in heaping piles before me are “not good enough” because they are not organic.

I am repulsed by the idolatry that my body is so precious that I must find something more healthy and pure, that these non-organic fruits lack enough nutritional value for the little god that is me.

How does it work, that having a bountiful supply of food before me is seen as the enemy instead of a blessing?

Do I think I’m better than those people in poverty, so I deserve optimal “natural” food? Or, do I think that everyone deserves it, but because not everyone is in a place to access it, rice and corn mash are good enough for their kids but definitely not mine? When you donate food to the food pantry, do you donate the expensive organic carefully-sourced food that you insist is the only acceptable thing to put in your body and that you feed yourself and your family, or do you get the cheapest canned and boxed food at the store?

If your diet requires it, great. If you prefer it, fine. If you think it’s the only way to go, have at it. But don’t lecture me especially while we’re in the process of eating. I shouldn’t have to defend my digestive history.

The fear industry is the strongest industry at work today.

Out of the fear industry, many things have developed. Like being afraid of our food.

It ends up being an us-against-them battle waged against supermarkets, farmers, and anyone not making that gross runny organic yogurt that makes me throw up in my mouth (true story). It says the hell with “everything in moderation.” It implies that moms who let their kids eat Lucky Charms are basically evil beings inserting a Pixie Stix IV in their arm and laughing maniacally.

It creates Perfect Parent Food Guardian whose kids must not have a drop of corn syrup in their body, ever, until they’re 18. No hint of chemical or artificial anything must touch their lips. The child will glow with good health and surely be a better citizen and thinker because no malnourished human in the history of mankind has ever achieved greatness.

Go ahead. Create a different kind of eating disorder which associates food with fear and danger, and disease solely with choices people make so when someone gets sick they can gently suggest they deserved it because they’d eaten Oreos that one time four years ago.

The jogger still dies young of the heart attack. The vegetarian still gets cancer. The butter-eater and wine-drinker and cigar-smoker lives to be 98. You can’t predict.

Typhus wasn't much fun.

We had a discussion about a similar topic at work, while on break, and a coworker came up with probably the best summation I could say in response to those who are hardcore anti-any kind of modern food, anti-vaccine, back-to-the-pioneer-times ideology: Typhus wasn’t fun.

Here’s a list of other things that aren’t fun:

• Diptheria
• Whooping Cough
• Polio
• Measles
• Tetanus
• Malaria
• E. coli and other gut ripping illnesses
• Hand-washing clothes and hanging them on the line even in the dead of winter
• Living on the northern plains without fruits like oranges and bananas (among other delicious foods) technically not being in the “locally sourced” category
• Killing a buffalo and using its guts for string, making pemmican, and creating a house out of its hide
• Starvation
• Trichinosis
• Using ice-boxes instead of modern chemical-supported refrigeration
• Non-electric sewing machines for all of your clothing needs
• Butcher a pig, cure the meat, make your own lard
• Chinking your cabin walls with animal dung and mud, and twisting prairie grass for heat because hey, let’s be honest, your home has a lot of toxicity built into it.

It’s easy to decry technology and its evils from your comfortable perch in the midst of it.

FYI: Honeybees were introduced to North America by Europeans, and tomatoes introduced to Europe by explorers. Do you really wish the Italians hadn’t gotten their hands on tomatoes? I love marinara. I love honey. I’m glad food hasn’t remained locally sourced only.

I don’t know if you’ve ever bothered to talk to someone who’s really old and had to do some of that live-off-the-land stuff, but you ask them if they want to go back to doing things by hand and they, like my grandma told me once when I asked if she missed the “good old days”, are probably going to come out in favor of automatic dishwashers, cake mixes, and Crisco. It wasn’t an alt-lifestyle option, but the only option, and given modernity, they leapt for it.

It’s called progress, because it is.

Yes, we have some diseases that are a result of the excess of our modern diet low exercise levels — that’s not the argument I’m making here — but the lack of progress had its own diseases and they were really ugly, too, with shortened lifespans overall.

Is it possible that I might make small choices and choose some chemical-free home products and eat more vegetables and try to buy locally and avoid GMO here and there when viable and still dig into a bowl of mac and cheese or douse the bathroom with Febreze when times call for it? That I might enjoy making my own bread but once in a while, buy a loaf from the store or order a pizza? That having a Diet Coke once in a while when I go out is a treat? Or is this just an all-or-nothing proposition? It seems that every moment is a lecture moment for the food police, whose forgiveness and grace policies are non-existent.

What goes in your head?

Maybe people ought to be more concerned about what they’re allowing in their head, rather than just their mouth. Shall I get after you for what you do and don’t read? Shall I lecture you on the shallow life of pursuing bodily health and not a robust mental existence?

Turn the TV off, unplug the internet, and shut out the voices convincing you that a world of unimaginable plenty isn’t good enough, isn’t healthy enough. Eat the food you have in moderation. The quality of my life, and my health, is fine. Someday it might not be. The same is true for you. Whether I drop over dead tomorrow or live to be 104, I’m not going to enjoy it any more by skipping the Diet Coke or excessive chocolate consumption. Keep your own guilt.

If I’m not in need of a drug-abuse intervention or confined to my bed because I weigh 900 pounds, it’s not necessary to say something about what I should or should not be eating, unless I ask you. Just about anyone eating overtly unhealthily isn’t doing so from a lack of knowledge, but other reasons. You’re not helping with those other reasons, I promise you. You might even be making them very much worse.

Enjoy the food you enjoy. Don’t enforce that on anyone else but yourself, especially when you’re sitting down to eat with them.

[Phil@rise]

Originally Posted by AAnthony

Probably because most people sit on their asses all day; it's all about calories in vs calories out.

I hit the gym 5 days a week; high intensity and heavy weights. I can eat Mc Dingles any time I want because I burn through thousands of calories per day. Some dude who eats nothing but salad and kale but sits on their ass all day is not going to be healthier than me in 20 years. If you wanna be that healthy 40 year old you actually have to put in work, you're not going to get there by simply turning down Mc Donalds.

no its more about chemicals and toxins in and not out

[Manic!]

Every food is bad for you. Don't believe me? Google (food name) are bad for you.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

lol i just have to say it...

Originally Posted by Graeme S

Out of the fear industry, many things have developed.

yes, many things have developed from fear, the single strongest driving force known man kind... all of life, patterns of behaviour, mannerisms, culture, and how every living thing perceives information, acts, and reacts and everything we know, in all creatures not just humans... and basically why everything is the way it is on this planet. lol.

it seems the formula to all known life so far is: carbon + fear.

[Graeme S]

Originally Posted by Phil@rise

no its more about chemicals and toxins in and not out

While I don't doubt that there are lots of toxins and poisons and things that give us cancer in our food today, I'll gladly take those given that the average life expectancy has increased a decade in the last fifty years (1961, 68.39 -> 2011, 78.68 ref: Canada - Life expectancy at birth )

Like the article said: the fear industry.

[Phil@rise]

Life expectancy has little bearing on actual living. Living with cancer is not living its surviving same goes for heart disease and the myriad of other complications that we suffer from due to our life styles and what we put in our bodies. Im not just referring to the foods we consume.

[Durrann]

Mcdon patties so good
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[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Is the McDouble really the ?cheapest, most nutritious and bountiful food that has ever existed in human history?? - The Globe and Mail

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by Ulic Qel-Droma

Is the McDouble really the ?cheapest, most nutritious and bountiful food that has ever existed in human history?? - The Globe and Mail

There are so many more things I can think of that taste better than anything coming out of McDonald’s – like apples or celery or a real chicken breast.

Really???

This:



over this:

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

for everyone that was doubting the price to ratio of what you get out of a mcdouble... they were wrong. us mcdoublers know what we are talking about... hence why i'm eating right now for breakfast hahaha

[Sid Vicious]

yea mcd's is underrated for how healthy the food is, @ least from a macronutrient lvl

case in pt
egg mcmuffin: 00 calories, 16g protein
mcdouble: 380 calories, 22 g of protein

i c ppl badmouth mcdonalds all the time...then eat at subways, fucking idiots

[sonick]

Originally Posted by Sid Vicious

i c ppl badmouth mcdonalds all the time...then eat at subways, fucking idiots

Back when I used FourSquare, my coworker saw that I went to McDonalds for a McDouble after my work out. The next morning she scoffed at me "YOU went to McDonalds?" in that judging tone, all while she was eating instant noodles out of a styrofoam bowl for breakfast.

[Graeme S]

Originally Posted by Manic!

There are so many more things I can think of that taste better than anything coming out of McDonald’s – like apples or celery or a real chicken breast.

Really???

This:



over this:

So there was an article in the NYT that had this infographic:



Looks good, right? Except for a few things. First: That assumes that everyone who's eating is getting a full meal. Like Ulic and I and others have mentioned--that's far from the smart buy. Three McDoubles and a water for less than five bucks.

There was a blogger who I hugely respect who poked the giant holes in this infographic: You have to buy each and every one of those ingredients in large portions. When you're poor and/or when you're working one or two jobs and/or when you commute for a great portion of your day, not only are you lacking the ability to purchase large amounts of food, but you're also missing the time you have to prep.

She was raised poor with three brothers. They would often go to the local burger joint (a McCompetitor) and would get two of the supercheap 50c burgers; they'd then go to the corner store and play rock paper scissors to see who'd get the individual bag of chips as a replacement for fries. Each of those menu items above would actually cost upwards of $50 to purchase all the ingredients (and don't forget about buying the tools/materials used for prep) and completely ignores the time aspect.


Those people who look down on McDonald's are the same type of people in my mind who blindly say that hybrids are a better technology; You're looking at the optics of it rather than the full picture. Want the best-performing most fuel efficient cars out there with the most cargo space? Go buy a diesel. Want a heavy car that can't carry as much as you expect and is only efficient in the city? Go buy a hybrid. Want to get the best bang for your buck? Look carefully at what you're eating and paying. Want to look like you're eating well? Go to Subway.

[Sid Vicious]

ya, who the fuck buys that much shit from mcdonalds? that infographic is stupid as fuck

get one or two mcdoubles, get like 4+ extra patties at (each pattys like 13 gs of protein) 60 cents each.

a box of spinach is like what $3?

so literally a well balanced meal for like $4

[bloodmack]

Originally Posted by Sid Vicious

ya, who the fuck buys that much shit from mcdonalds? that infographic is stupid as fuck

get one or two mcdoubles, get like 4+ extra patties at (each pattys like 13 gs of protein) 60 cents each.

a box of spinach is like what $3?

so literally a well balanced meal for like $4

[SkinnyPupp]

So much logic in this thread

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Originally Posted by Sid Vicious

a box of spinach is like what $3?

LOLOLOL... i literally have a box of spinach i just open up and grab handfuls and stuff em into my mouth... no stuff em in my mouth jokes please.