VPD officer charged with assault after cyclist punched

[twdm]

Originally Posted by Redlines_Daily

So much stupid in this post.

Unprofessional conduct is grounds for dismissal in many jobs. There is a police code of conduct that is expected to be followed on the job and off. It's important that citizens have confidence in government employee that serve in the community every day. The same can be said about private citizens that work in high profile jobs, so yes his CGA designation does make his argument more valid.

Yes except my RPh now makes his arguments invalid. See what I did there? What designation are you going to toss out? Designations don't mean shit in an proper argument.

Like I said, if your employer thinks you are so disposable that punching a douchebag will get you fired, then you're pretty shitty at your job.

Hell Mayor Robb Ford probably broke every drug possession law out there and he's still the mayor of Toronto.

You must be pretty dumb and naive to think every professional out there is performing in a professional manner.

[seakrait]

Originally Posted by Happy

I thought you only get a criminal record if you are convicted in court for that crime. Not when you are in the process of getting arrested and charged?

true. however:

most jobs nowadays require a "criminal record" check. like someone mentioned before, it's specifically charges and convictions (ie: whether you've been charged with an offence and whether or not you've been convicted of it). also, keep in mind that even if you get a stay of proceedings and think you've got off scott-free because you weren't found guilty, the SOP will still appear on a criminal record search.

however, when you show up to your local police department or RCMP detachment for to get a criminal record check, you're actually getting a police information check instead which is a WAY broader and in-depth search into your police history. basically, not only do they look at charges and convictions but at all incidents where you've been involved and have had an adverse role code (ie: they'll be looking at incidents where you've been listed as a suspect, suspect chargeable, etc.).

so what that means that just because you weren't charged/arrested/spend a night in jail/etc., don't think that you've escaped the consequences.

not only that but you cannot even imagine the amount of information sharing that goes on without your explicit knowledge and consent between government agencies (police or otherwise). basically, what i'm saying is, don't get onto the police database.

[coolname]

Originally Posted by bing

you don't exactly have to deal with assholes day in and out.

i work in a resturant, so yes i do.

[parm104]

LOL so much ridiculousness in this thread. The usual cop-defenders are in here whole-heartedly defending actions and coming up with non-sense garbage to justify his actions. "the guy was a douche," lol so yeh...that means you get to punch him.

"well the cop puts his life in line to serve and protect citizens like us." yah...and he gets paid handsomely for it with benefits galore. And the next time someone wants to argue that police have a dangerous job and their lives are in danger and they sacrifice that for the greater good...look at some statistics and see how many on-job casualties have occurred with RCMP officers in the last decade.

As I've stated before, I've got a handful of family who are members and respect them for it. They're also making a good living and they do so in a respectful manner. As a matter of fact, I know the officer in this video personally. That doesn't skew my reality and it doesn't make me believe that officers are entitled to break the law without repercussions.

There is a big responsibility that comes with being in a position of power. With power you gain respect, in this case, automatic respect once you put that uniform on. That being said, it's extremely important to put in an active effort to maintain that level of respect and show a good example for your community, the one you've decided to protect. All eyes are on you and the level of scrutiny is high, as it should be.

[twdm]

Originally Posted by parm104

LOL so much ridiculousness in this thread. The usual cop-defenders are in here whole-heartedly defending actions and coming up with non-sense garbage to justify his actions. "the guy was a douche," lol so yeh...that means you get to punch him.

"well the cop puts his life in line to serve and protect citizens like us." yah...and he gets paid handsomely for it with benefits galore. And the next time someone wants to argue that police have a dangerous job and their lives are in danger and they sacrifice that for the greater good...look at some statistics and see how many on-job casualties have occurred with RCMP officers in the last decade.

As I've stated before, I've got a handful of family who are members and respect them for it. They're also making a good living and they do so in a respectful manner. As a matter of fact, I know the officer in this video personally. That doesn't skew my reality and it doesn't make me believe that officers are entitled to break the law without repercussions.

There is a big responsibility that comes with being in a position of power. With power you gain respect, in this case, automatic respect once you put that uniform on. That being said, it's extremely important to put in an active effort to maintain that level of respect and show a good example for your community, the one you've decided to protect. All eyes are on you and the level of scrutiny is high, as it should be.

The guy being a douche doesn't entitle him to be punched. It doesn't mean the cop should be fired. Cop-defender my ass. It is just not getting my panties all tied up in a knot for a punch. There are bigger fishes to fry.

[bing]

Originally Posted by coolname

i work in a resturant, so yes i do.

Was I talking to you? my comment was to a professed accountant, an individual who likely isn't in a profession with rotating shift work, potentially frequent exposure to traumatic incidents, and with an increased risk for PTSD, marital failure (though there is a magical number where relationships that last X number of years tend to have a reduced chance of divorce percentage wise), and domestic violence.

But even considering your circumstances, its not so black and white (i.e. yes I deal with assholes or no I do not). An asshole restaurant patron asking for his food to be recooked or not leaving enough tips for instance would not be of the same variety that I expect police to have to deal with on a regular basis.

[E-SPEC]

Where the fuck is SOUNDY? He thinks that this guy deserved what he got. and thinks most brutality is warranted from what i have seen.

[Gridlock]

Originally Posted by parm104

LOL so much ridiculousness in this thread. The usual cop-defenders are in here whole-heartedly defending actions and coming up with non-sense garbage to justify his actions. "the guy was a douche," lol so yeh...that means you get to punch him.

"well the cop puts his life in line to serve and protect citizens like us." yah...and he gets paid handsomely for it with benefits galore. And the next time someone wants to argue that police have a dangerous job and their lives are in danger and they sacrifice that for the greater good...look at some statistics and see how many on-job casualties have occurred with RCMP officers in the last decade.

As I've stated before, I've got a handful of family who are members and respect them for it. They're also making a good living and they do so in a respectful manner. As a matter of fact, I know the officer in this video personally. That doesn't skew my reality and it doesn't make me believe that officers are entitled to break the law without repercussions.

There is a big responsibility that comes with being in a position of power. With power you gain respect, in this case, automatic respect once you put that uniform on. That being said, it's extremely important to put in an active effort to maintain that level of respect and show a good example for your community, the one you've decided to protect. All eyes are on you and the level of scrutiny is high, as it should be.

Originally Posted by twdm

The guy being a douche doesn't entitle him to be punched. It doesn't mean the cop should be fired. Cop-defender my ass. It is just not getting my panties all tied up in a knot for a punch. There are bigger fishes to fry.

Don't fight about it kids, I think you both nailed it.

He should have had more respect for the job than getting caught on tape hitting a guy, something that could have been avoided by NOT hitting the guy...but let's not make it out to be the YVR incident 2.0 as the douche will get to go home and nurse a bruise.

I don't think the cop should walk away from it, but I don't feel its an assault charge having to be defended in court.

[NSX]

Political Appeasement. Good luck convicting him.
Articulate well = GG.

[Iceman-19]

Originally Posted by Spidey

I'll take this bet on behalf of Manic... Unless he wants in and make it double or nothing

I have $500 to put down.

[Redlines_Daily]

Originally Posted by twdm

Yes except my RPh now makes his arguments invalid. See what I did there? What designation are you going to toss out? Designations don't mean shit in an proper argument.

Like I said, if your employer thinks you are so disposable that punching a douchebag will get you fired, then you're pretty shitty at your job.

Hell Mayor Robb Ford probably broke every drug possession law out there and he's still the mayor of Toronto.

You must be pretty dumb and naive to think every professional out there is performing in a professional manner.

please teach me to be smart like you

[twdm]

Originally Posted by Redlines_Daily

please teach me to be smart like you

Sorry, not gonna bite. Please explain more about how his designation makes his argument more valid. Otherwise stick to throwing feces at anyone who destroy your arguments.

[Redlines_Daily]

CGA also have a code of conduct to follow that they agree to when they receive their designation, violating it can be reason for dismissal, that's how! Do I really need to explain that, is it imperative to this thread? It's like talking to children sometimes..

[melloman]

Originally Posted by Spidey

People don't "charge" anyone. In BC, the Police forward Charges to Crown. Crown then approves or rejects Charges. You, yourself, have the process wrong.... not even close... this is how it goes

- charge gets rejected (goes no where)

- charge gets approved, first appearance court date where person charged pleads guilty or not guilty. If not guilty, it goes to trial which will be a future date. If guilty then the charged will be sentenced. Depending on what the judge decides, it could mean a criminal record, but not always.

Sorry for the mistake. Your completely correct.

Yet if the charges get approved and the person is arrested, he is then put into the police database. Whether he gets convicted or not, on a standard background check, it will show up saying he was "involved" in an assault. It will state whether he was convicted or not.

[Iceman-19]

Originally Posted by Spidey

Thing is, if you work in an office, there is no reason why you should be in a physical altercation with a client. Part of police work involves violence with clients. So when something like this happens, it doesn't mean immediate termination, it means an investigation to reveal what led up to it. As mentioned in many other posts regarding use of force, Police are allowed to use reasonable force necessary to apprehend an individual. Just because he has been charged doesn't mean he is guilty/convicted. It basically means there will be a likelihood of a trial where both sides can provide evidence regarding the matter.



People don't "charge" anyone. In BC, the Police forward Charges to Crown. Crown then approves or rejects Charges. You, yourself, have the process wrong.... not even close... this is how it goes

- charge gets rejected (goes no where)

- charge gets approved, first appearance court date where person charged pleads guilty or not guilty. If not guilty, it goes to trial which will be a future date. If guilty then the charged will be sentenced. Depending on what the judge decides, it could mean a criminal record, but not always.


Don't know why you got failed at all for this post, since it is the truth.

Yes, police forward the charges to crown. They can do that themselves based off of something they saw, OR, and this is what I said, based on what somebody said, IE, a statement. Which, as I said previously, cause a warrent to be issued and said person arrested and held in jail until they can see a judge to release them on bail. They can still be later found not guilty, and still see the inside of a jail cell. You follow what I am saying now? If you state that I am wrong about this, then you really have no idea what you are talking about.

[AzNightmare]

Originally Posted by twdm

Sorry, not gonna bite. Please explain more about how his designation makes his argument more valid. Otherwise stick to throwing feces at anyone who destroy your arguments.

So I guess you didn't know what "CGA" meant (before you went and Googled it) and got your jimmies all rustled? You also missed the point of his post.

In this day and age, MOST jobs, especially "white-collar" office jobs will not tolerate physical fighting. It's not something that will just get brushed over. It's not professional, and it makes the company look bad to have staff that can't control their temper. You let one guy get away, then management is basically giving the "OK" to go and punch people every time there's a disagreement.

I would like to know what kind of job you have, where it's pretty chilled and okay to punch people without a single fuck given.

[E-SPEC]

Jersey whore Snooki deserved her punch more than this guy deserved his. FACT.

[twdm]

Originally Posted by AzNightmare

So I guess you didn't know what "CGA" meant (before you went and Googled it) and got your jimmies all rustled? You also missed the point of his post.

In this day and age, MOST jobs, especially "white-collar" office jobs will not tolerate physical fighting. It's not something that will just get brushed over. It's not professional, and it makes the company look bad to have staff that can't control their temper. You let one guy get away, then management is basically giving the "OK" to go and punch people every time there's a disagreement.

I would like to know what kind of job you have, where it's pretty chilled and okay to punch people without a single fuck given.

You're completely missing the point. You're comparing apples to oranges. Punching a guy in a job where physical altercations is a commonplace is not the same as an accountant falcon punching his client across a desk cause he didn't like the way he talked.

Last time I checked, getting into pharmacy was harder than getting a CGA, where every clown with a degree could get a designation. Maybe you know better, oh wait you didn't google what RPh meant.

I'm glad you don't run the police department because we would end up with no more police officers because they're all fired or in jail for every petty crime.

[Iceman_2K]

A pill counter versus a bean counter....more awesome of a fight video than the cop punching the cyclist.

[AzNightmare]

I'm responding to your ignorant posts, which didn't seem at all to have intentions of so-called "apples to oranges" comparison.

Originally Posted by twdm

Do people get fired for punching a douche in the face? Don't know where you come from...
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Originally Posted by twdm

If you got fired for punching someone in the face then you must have been pretty shitty at your job. Throwing out big acronyms doesn't make your argument more valid BTW.
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Originally Posted by twdm

Like I said, if your employer thinks you are so disposable that punching a douchebag will get you fired, then you're pretty shitty at your job.

At this point, not once did you mention you're talking about physical altercations jobs vs "desk" jobs. Which you should have clarified if you weren't so busy getting rustled about the "CGA" title.

Originally Posted by twdm

You're completely missing the point. You're comparing apples to oranges. Punching a guy in a job where physical altercations is a commonplace is not the same as an accountant falcon punching his client across a desk cause he didn't like the way he talked.

Last time I checked, getting into pharmacy was harder than getting a CGA, where every clown with a degree could get a designation. Maybe you know better, oh wait you didn't google what RPh meant.

I'm glad you don't run the police department because we would end up with no more police officers because they're all fired or in jail for every petty crime.

No, that is exactly my point. But even as an officer or security guard (or some similar job), you need to be responsible for your actions. And it has nothing to do with being disposable or terrific at the job. And you specifically implied it DID matter, twice.

No one cares about CGA or RPh or which one is harder to get. I could have just said a shitty desk job. Only you're so caught up about titles.

Only reason Police MAY get away with punching someone is if he can justify it, where as a common desk job staff will have a pretty hard time justifying it. Whether all police brutality cases are justified or not is another topic, and I can't explain this specific video because all potential police brutality cases need to be further investigated by people with more info. Not by people in a forum with limited info of the scenario, or by people who automatically think it's justified to punch people for being "employee of the month".

[twdm]

Originally Posted by AzNightmare

I'm responding to your ignorant posts, which didn't seem at all to have intentions of so-called "apples to oranges" comparison.

At this point, not once did you mention you're talking about physical altercations jobs vs "desk" jobs. Which you should have clarified if you weren't so busy getting rustled about the "CGA" title.

It's called using your brain and process differences in situations

Originally Posted by AzNightmare

No, that is exactly my point. But even as an officer or security guard (or some similar job), you need to be responsible for your actions. And it has nothing to do with being disposable or terrific at the job. And you specifically implied it DID matter, twice.

So you're saying if you punched a criminal after a physical altercation and after verbal abuse, your boss would fire you. Like I said if that is the case, you're a shitty employee.

Originally Posted by AzNightmare

No one cares about CGA or RPh or which one is harder to get. I could have just said a shitty desk job. Only you're so caught up about titles.

Oh really. Let me show you EXHIBIT #1

Originally Posted by Redlines_Daily

The same can be said about private citizens that work in high profile jobs, so yes his CGA designation does make his argument more valid.

Originally Posted by AzNightmare

Only reason Police MAY get away with punching someone is if he can justify it, where as a common desk job staff will have a pretty hard time justifying it. Whether all police brutality cases are justified or not is another topic, and I can't explain this specific video because all potential police brutality cases need to be further investigated by people with more info. Not by people in a forum with limited info of the scenario, or by people who automatically think it's justified to punch people for being "employee of the month".

We're not discussing whether he should walk away scott-free or not. We are arguing whether he should be fired. Please put on your reading comprehension glasses. Where did you see that I said he shouldn't be punished?

Originally Posted by Iceman_2K

A pill counter versus a bean counter....more awesome of a fight video than the cop punching the cyclist.

And what do you do sir? You angry that pharmacists get paid more than you for counting in 5's? Cause that's all they teach us in 4 years . Comments like this just further prove how clueless you are. So have you been arrested for punching me yet?

Seriously, watch the video again.
1. You have the stereo typical douchebag cyclist: no helmet, no regards for the laws of the road.
2. Asks what he is being arrested for and pull his hand away not once but twice. Not in any point in the video can you see him wince in pain as many here may claim.
3. On the second time, (who knows how many times he did this before the video) the cop becomes fed up and punches him for resisting arrest.

Excessive force? Definitely.
Do I understand from his point of view after dealing with these douches day in day out? Yes.
Should he be punished? Yes
Should he lose his job? Not unless he has other past incidents that would warrant dismissal

The amount of cop-hating in this forum is excessive. Half the time, it is from underachieving idiots who hate cops because just they gave them a ticket for speeding or driving like a douche and they go into every cop incident thread looking for blood. Take off your colored glasses and look at both sides of the equation.

[Iceman_2K]

Well, someone's pill counting panties are in a bunch.....

[E-SPEC]

Originally Posted by Iceman_2K

Well, someone's pill counting panties are in a bunch.....

Pill counting panties wrapped around a Vaginal region.

[dhari]

This thread is so refreshing to read after counting beans all day

[Iceman_2K]

Indeed - I too feel refreshed after a long day of counting pills baked in beans.
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