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Over the last month, a group that had called itself the Australian Vaccination Network has suffered some heavy blows at the hands of Australian state governments. The group, which questions the safety and efficacy of vaccination, had been targeted by state regulators in the past, but it appealed the penalties they imposed. Now it has lost two appeals; as a result, it's been forced to both change its name and cease all fundraising as a charity.
There is a strong consensus among medical and public health authorities that vaccines are generally safe and are clearly effective at preventing disease. In their absence, diseases such as the measles have frequently resurfaced, with last year seeing nearly triple the number of cases in the US. Despite this track record, many countries have seen groups organize to oppose state-sanctioned or -mandated vaccination programs.
Australia has not been immune (pun intended); the Australian Vaccination Network was founded in 1994 to engage in "Lobbying to ensure that vaccinations are never made compulsory for Australian children." To that end, it publicizes questions about vaccine safety and effectiveness, often relying on questionable science to do so. (Its tagline? "The AVN—because every issue has two sides.")
The group was recently compelled to change its name to the Australian Vaccination-skeptics Network, in recognition of its actual perspective on matters. In the more recent decision, the group was stripped of its status as a charity because of the potential harmful impact of the information it promotes.
Australia's ABC News quotes Health Minister Jillian Skinner as saying, "Our government is determined to protect our children from the devastating consequences of vaccine-preventable disease" and "Forget the scaremongering. There is nothing to fear from vaccination."
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In contrast, a spokesman for the Australian Vaccination-skeptics Network appears to have taken the "it's only a flesh wound" approach to bad news, saying, "Let it be known that we are entirely happy about what's happened. In fact, we're still celebrating. This is something that we've been wanting to happen for many years."
What a bunch of retards. "It's good we got reamed because it just proves the government's secret vaccine agenda" Durrr.
"The group, which questions the safety and efficacy of vaccination..."
This is the key. Questioning things is fine. Bleating dangerous, unsupported bullshit as if it's fact to the detriment of other people's health is not.
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CiC...do tell what's in it for the big pharma/govt and their hidden agenda...as stated preventative measures like vaccine programs account for a fraction of their revenue
Look at what I posted earlier. http://i.imgur.com/7FmBGZC.jpg
"Vaccine side effects can make you sick for the rest of your life"
Thanks to Phil@rise's revelations on the side effects of the bird flu shots to give one narcolepsy...
[What is narcolepsy? _youtube.com/watch?v=Ucpf_OYvs4E ]
I did a bit of looking around and wouldnt you know it, there is an expensive narcolepsy drug to make one somewhat normal again.
The same thing is happening to people across the world... in viewing initial Google searches Ive seen reports in China, Europe, the U.S. and Africa.
But its not just about selling medicine for profit, as most wont be able to afford it... putting people in these situations brings about other way to exploit humans to keep them in a working class, regional control, and many other aspects but its basically to control populations.
A few of the richer government have a bit of morals to compensate people. Compensation to Norwegian swine flu vaccine victims affected by narcolepsy sleeping disorder
_youtube.com/watch?v=k5M4rvt9DIk
As described in the description, here we have the "nodding syndrome" side effects after an African vaccination program carried out by the U.S.
_youtube.com/watch?v=lBYUXFBze4Y
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kids sharing food/biting each other/nose bleeds might pose very limited risk of transmission...but why even take that risk in the first place? So when do you suggest people should have them administered? Teenage years?
The virus lives in the blood, you'd have to get an infected persons blood into the other.... I dont think the things you describe can even be said to be a limited risk.
Start looking up the risks of the Hep B vaccine alone, like one stating 300% increase in multiple sclerosis.
If one lives in this sex crazed society, from 13-15 might be the earliest age I'd do it... but I'd have it administered in Iran as they make it themselves.
_www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4W5Pw7amA4
I dont know if ones kids would be allowed in the schools here that way... other then the junk in vaccines, Im also concerned about mycoplasma bacteria/viruses in the local stocks as some of them could be genetically engineered as a bio-weapon to attack certain cells.
some stomach cancer strains people get were originally patented by the U.S.
_youtube.com/watch?v=Qa95R8RLXFM
Who knows if the narcolepsy side effects could be from one of these or just the squalene stuff.
Your theoretical child would never get sick of any kind ever, as the condition is made up to suit your requirement; unfortunately, it doesn't happen in the real world and thus is irrelevant.
If sharing a tooth brush may pass the virus, children play and get scratched up all the time with bruises and cuts. Is it that hard to imagine? What makes you think so many children get Hepatitis B?
Given the option, if your child play with an HIV infected child, if taken a vaccine would pretty much eliminate the passing of the virus, would you still not do it for your child? No, simply because they are supposed to have no bodily fluid exchange therefore is not needed?
Of course, in your bubble, nothing happens, all mothers are also perfectly disciplined to screen for Hepatitis B too.
So because some mothers are not disciplined to get tested, everyone should risk their kids to get autism... great point.
Also lets say there is risk in the playground... there is no reason to risk the neurodevelopmental of ones child when its just a new born or before it could even walk by it self to reach a playground.
The Hepatitis B (Hep B) vaccine is considered one of the most controversial vaccines in the pediatric vaccination schedule. Why are we giving it to newborns and what are the adverse reactions associated with such an early vaccination?
What is Hep B?
Hep B is a very rare disease caused by the Hep B virus which primarily affects the liver and is principally spread through the blood. Hep B may lead to chronic infection and cirrhosis (scarring) which may then progress to liver cancer. Approximately .2% of the population in America currently have Hep B, leaving 99.8% of the population free of this virus. According to the Center for Disease Control (CDC), approximately .001 percent of all infants under the age of one year will contract Hep B and 95 percent of them will recover on their own and never contract the virus again. In the U.S. in 2005, only five children under the age of five were reported to have been infected with Hep B (Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, March 30, 2007). Furthermore, the U.S. continues to have the lowest recorded levels of Hepatitis in the world. According to the October 31, 1997 MMWR published by the CDC, "Hepatitis B continues to decline in most states, primarily because of a decrease in the number of cases among injecting drug users and, to a lesser extent, among both homosexuals and heterosexuals of both sexes."
How do you get Hep B?
Hep B is transmitted from bodily fluids that are contaminated with the virus. This can be done through unprotected sex, contaminated needles, blood transfusions or vertical transmission from mother to child.
What is the Hep B Vaccine?
In November of 1991, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices of the CDC recommended the universal vaccination of Hep B to every newborn in the U.S. There are currently two types of genetically engineered hepatitis B vaccines licensed for use in the U.S.: Merck's Recombivax HB® (each 0.5 mL dose contains 5 mcg of hepatitis B surface antigen with formaldehyde, and .5mg of aluminum (potassium aluminum sulfate)[1] and GlaxoSmithKline's Engerix-B® (each 0.5 mL dose contains 10 mcg of hepatitis B surface antigen adsorbed on 0.25 mg aluminum as aluminum hydroxide, sodium chloride, disodium phosphate dihydrate, and sodium dihydrogen phosphate dihydrate [2].
When is the Hep B Vaccine Given?
The Hep B vaccine is the first vaccine given to newborns and is injected within 12 hours of birth. The CDC then recommends a second injection at one to two months of age and a third vaccination between six and 18 months (regardless of manufacturer).
Why is the Hep B Vaccine Given?
This vaccine is given because of fear, lack of knowledge and corporate greed from the vaccine manufacturers. Merck generates over $1 billion worth of revenue from this vaccine alone. Most hospitals allow for screening of Hep B in mothers prior to birth, but many do not do this. Even if the mother tests positive for Hep B, there is only a 5% probability that the virus will be passed from mother to child. We are ostensibly injecting helpless newborns (nearly 1 million per year in the U.S.) with this vaccine with the false belief that every mother already has Hep B and if they don't, we will be protecting the future generation of promiscuous teens and drug users. The CDC and FDA know that drug users and prostitutes will not get the vaccine themselves and therefore it is better to vaccinate these potential drug users and hookers when they are born. The CDC and Merck have collaborated to misinterpret and skew the number of cases of Hepatitis B in the U.S. They say each year up to 320,000 new cases occur, yet the CDC documents report that only 10,000 new cases occur. Even of these 10,000 cases, 95 percent (or 9,500) will recover on their own and forever have natural immunity. This type of misinformation and fear tactics are nothing new to Big Pharma, for it is fear that allows one to control the masses and as a corollary, numerous infants and families have forever been harmed.
Adverse Reactions to Hep B?
Accurate data on adverse reactions to the Hep B vaccine are very difficult to come by due to scarcity or lack of reporting by many physicians as well as blocked reporting data from the CDC. The most recent and complete data from the VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) and government agencies (CDC, FDA) are from July, 1990 to October 1999 and include 24,775 adverse reactions. These reactions include 439 deaths and 9,673 emergency room visits. These reactions have included, arthritis [3, 4]; skin disorders [5]; compromised immunity and autoimmune disease [6]; neurological damage; vision loss and rare eye disorders such as optic neuritis [7] and epitheliopathy [8]; blood disorders [9]; diabetes [10]; damage to liver and kidneys [11]; severe vomiting, diarrhoea and death [12].
Because the reporting of adverse events to VAERS is completely voluntary, up to 96 to 99 percent of these reactions are never reported [13]. Realistically, the number of adverse events following Hep B vaccination from 1990 to 1999 would be somewhere around 2.5 million (24,775 multiplied by 99). In addition to the above adverse reactions, additional severe reactions have been reported from Merck and GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals which include: edema of the heart, chest discomfort, Guillain-Barre syndrome, fever, hearing damage, bronchial spasms, hair loss, encephalitis, multiple sclerosis, seizures, herpes zoster, Bells palsy, rash, visual impairments and anaphylaxis [1, 2]. In October of 1998, France became the first country to effectively ban the Hep B vaccine given to children due to an increase in child arthritis, multiple sclerosis symptoms and other serious adverse reactions.
From the above evidence we can conclude that if you wish to groom your children to become future drug users who share needles or prostitutes (or quite possibly both) then the risks of contracting Hep B may outweigh the risks of receiving one of the many adverse reactions. But, if you are a responsible parent and believe that your child is extremely unlikely to come in contact with Hep B through such risky behavior (especially as a newborn or infant), then clearly this vaccine is unwarranted. Furthermore, it is safe to say that this vaccine should be removed from the American Academy of Pediatrics infant vaccination schedule to prevent further damage and death to our children. Interestingly enough, up to 87% of pediatricians believe that the Hep B vaccine is totally unnecessary for newborns [14]. It seems that the Hep B vaccine may be warranted in only the most exceptional of circumstances much later on in life, but it has no place being anywhere near our 12 hour old children with a very immature and underdeveloped immune system.
CiC is taking on a position that is always skeptical at the powers at be.
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They control every facet of ones life, and they will even shorten ones life if you dont know the games they're up to.
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And here we see another example of the core of the problem: uninformed, uneducated opinions that show no clue about immunology or how vaccines actually work.
Just to refresh everyone's minds, you're pro Hep B shots to newborns.
Lastly this is just one of the shots that is easily questionable... the others will take some research and I would start with the speakers I posted earlier. Good luck.
Did you even read the article? God.. This is what happens when you give headlines to people with zero critical thinking. What was the study comparing the increase to? This was basically a statistic that showed there was an increase in narcolepsy cases year over year. They just happened to choose the years after the h1n1 to put what would normally be a useless study in the spotlight.
CiC, your random articles about people getting side effects don't mean anything on its own. I could for instance eat dirt when I have the flu, and if I recover, claim that eating dirt cures the flu? Posted via RS Mobile
They control every facet of ones life, and they will even shorten ones life if you dont know the games they're up to.
they do control every facet of our lives... or have a major influence.
but the question is, was that the intent from the beginning? or is that just how the power pyramid works? since people are naturally greedy and try to squeeze every drop out of the lime... naturally ones that climb to the top will coerce the bottom to do their bidding. they'll always try to maximize results. produce the most from the least. which always will mean testing the will of the lower classes
i just realised in some ways i just agreed with you. and in other ways people born into a system like this that haven't taken another perspective can't really see it. they're kinda born into this perfect prison built by their masters lol.
there's always a give and take. if you choose to live in any society where there are other humans above you in any manner, or govern you in any manner. you give some, you take some. you get the benefits of living in a society. the paved roads. doctors. nice buildings...and a million other services. but on the flip side, you have to obey the will of the body (society, and it's artificial laws and influences on the physical self).
to escape it the will of the ones that steer the body (the powers at be)... you have to live away from society. in the wild, where you only have to obey the will of nature.
that being said, i still think man is more kind and merciful than mother nature. lol. i'd rather live in society and have to suffer these kinda fucking headaches. beats having to catch my food and probably getting eaten by a wild animal... or freezing to death.
i dunno man. i can't pick a century that has existed in all of history i'd rather be, other than this century. can you? the powers at be have always been the same throughout all of existence. but the citizens at the lower end of the stick, have access to the most technology and information now. more than ever. i'll take that any day!!!
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I like the present also, and although we have more tools and technology at the lower end, the higher ups are also many steps ahead. The winning of the hearts and minds is their best tool.
I dont think I would've gotten the different perspectives that I have had I been working through out my life... I took on somewhat of a broke hermit life, but Im glade I know what I know then to have fall in some kind of trap... whether its a none healthy one, materialistic consumer one, or the many other traps that one could easily fall into.
I would say, as history has shown, this one powerful group of elites have remained in existence for more then a 1000 years and their off spring have and will continue world domination aspirations how ever necessary short of nuclear wars.
Im sure the little greedy citizens that are playing along swindling our pockets and the ones we see on TV know whats going on... but the attraction of money that come with it probably over power any morals that they have for humanity... thinking if I dont do it, someone else will.
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Zero critical thinking you say...
why would the Norwegian government give compensation to swine flu vaccine victims affected by narcolepsy sleeping disorder then?
To twdm
Zero critical thinking you say...
why would the Norwegian government give compensation to swine flu vaccine victims affected by narcolepsy sleeping disorder then?
So paying indicates cause? Why does the government pay poor people welfare cheques? Why does Samsung have to pay apple for making a rectangular tablet? Posted via RS Mobile
So paying indicates cause? Why does the government pay poor people welfare cheques? Why does Samsung have to pay apple for making a rectangular tablet? Posted via RS Mobile
Government admittance is the last thing that happens in these kind of cases. You'd only have to look at the U.K. medias admittance (which is more controlled then the government of Norway) to know there is a link.
Why do you expect us the bring forward absolute evidence when you can look it up yourself... instead you're playing into the systems lies, defending their atrocities and fooling other members its safe.
Government admittance is the last thing that happens in these kind of cases. You'd only have to look at the U.K. medias admittance (which is more controlled then the government of Norway) to know there is a link.
Why do you expect us the bring forward absolute evidence when you can look it up yourself... instead you're playing into the systems lies, defending their atrocities and fooling other members its safe.
What evidence do you bring up? All these "studies" are poor quality evidence. There is no blinding, no randomization no comparison to placebo. None of these would ever be accepted for approval of any pharmaceuticals.
What evidence do you bring up? All these "studies" are poor quality evidence. There is no blinding, no randomization no comparison to placebo. None of these would ever be accepted for approval of any pharmaceuticals.
Ok, you win, dont think twice about getting your flu shot.
Its mainstream documented that these same companies have purposely spread AIDS tainted blood around the world and even our own government had a hand in it in killing Canadians... but dont fault them on their past murders...
“Go back to bed, Canada. Your government has figured out how it all transpired. Go back to bed, Canada. Your government is in control again. Here. Here's the Vancouver Canucks. Watch this, shut up. Go back to bed, Canada. Here is 56 channels of it! Watch these pituitary retards bang their fucking skulls together and salute you on living in the land of freedom. Here you go, Canada! You are free to do what we tell you! You are free to do what we tell you!”
Remastered Bill Hicks quote.
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You have a very vivid imagination. I never said anything about the subject either way.
With your very pro vaccination stance through out the thread, do you think members were expecting you to duplicate efforts of information against vaccination of Hep B to children?... or even duplicate information that advocated the shot but against newborns?
Anyway tell us your stance on the Hep B shot to babies coming from a very pro vaccination person such as yourself.
Anyway tell us your stand on the Hep B shot to babies coming from a very pro vaccination person such as yourself.
I'm not pro-vaccination, I'm anti-stupidity. And I'm not telling you any more about my personal thoughts on the matter, because it's infinitely more entertaining to watch you stumble about attributing things to me that I never actually said.
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Not a sebberry post goes by where I don't frown and think to myself "so..?"
Geez thats too bad, you were pretty generous with your thoughts in this post and made out the anti-vaccination advocates as idiots.
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Problem is, you get a miniscule percentage of people with extra-sensitive or fucked-up immune systems that will have a problem, and suddenly someone wants to make it into a big thing that these vaccinations are bad for EVERYONE... well by that token, nobody should go out on a sunny day, because a few people's skins are sensitive to sunlight. Or nut products should be banned and removed from the planet because a few people have allergies to it.
I consider myself neutral of any vaccination stance. I grew up with mine in place and my children got their basic vaccines as well. The littlest one is undergoing them. I also question the importance, timing and the method with which vaccines are applied or "sold" to us. Both my daughters were on a delayed vaccine schedule. Neither saw their first before the age of One, reason being they are or were breast fed and had limited contact with other children and have impeccable hygiene so risk of contact with serious illness was low, too low IMO to justify exposing them to potential risk of complications related with vaccinations. My oldest was also of the age where autism amongst other diseases and complications were being brought into the limelight as caused by vaccinations. (supposedly disproven, who knows)
Now this big sensitive debate is still raging on by closed minded individuals on both sides of the table. You've got the anti vaccine people saying its poison and to blame for so many complications and you've got the pro vaccinators sayin your gonna make me or my kids sick cus you and your kids are not vaccinated go do it or you'll kill us all!
Both foolish. Medicine changes rapidly and it's peoples resistance to medicine that forces doctors and manufacturers to come up with less evasive less risky solutions to what ails us. It wasnt long ago cocaine was prescribed by doctors to numb pain and to keep you upbeat, it wasnt long ago heroin was prescribed by the same doctors for pain, it wasnt long ago doctors used to bleed out patients cus their skin was too red. I can go on. Medicine is often trial and error and sometimes the error isnt spotted for years. Thats why we should all be skeptics just be informed ones.
FYI for the fearful vaccinated, your protected from the diseases un vaccinated people are carrying after all you're vaccinated right?
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