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Old 04-26-2014, 06:11 PM   #176
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Its just a Norc AR with a Troy VTAC Alpha Rail and some bits and pieces on it.

I like the Eotech cause this version takes AA's and I like the Ring/Dot reticle. Some people have issues with the battery life and may not like the reticle, but I also like the holographic aspect of it, just the way it is projected onto the glass. And crystal clear optics instead of a bit tinted like most other red dots.

BUIS do co witness with the eotech, but I just thought i'd try out the canted irons.
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Its funny, everyone, including me and my friends, always put some form of effectiveness of end of the world / zombies / home invasion into our decision making regarding firearms, camping gear, etc, as if it holds a legitimate value among categories like cost/reliability/performance/looks.

But talking about home defense is seriously ridiculous, imo. Everyone thinks they are a billy bad ass swat member but in the 0.00001% likelyhood you going to be home and targetted for a home invasion, you're more likely to piss your pants and cry in panic than be capable of tactically countering the home invasion.

Plus, good luck getting your keys which are probably in a room that your firearms aren't, unlocking your firearms, then getting your ammo, which isn't stored with the firearm, loading your firearm, and then confronting the home invaders (usually not 1), in less time than it takes them to run up the stairs and fuck your shit up.

This isn't america where you can have your handgun under your pillow ready to roll.

And IF you did use that weapon, you're spending your life in prison and ruining your family anyway NO MATTER WHAT so why even bother.

If you put "home defense" on your PAL application, they will deny you.
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It's different in Manila.

In the short time I've been here, 3 different neighbours got jacked at gun point, my cousin's store got robbed and a gun fire exchange outside my complex.

Guns are pretty much necessary tools out here in the shit.
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Its funny, everyone, including me and my friends, always put some form of effectiveness of end of the world / zombies / home invasion into our decision making regarding firearms, camping gear, etc, as if it holds a legitimate value among categories like cost/reliability/performance/looks.

But talking about home defense is seriously ridiculous, imo. Everyone thinks they are a billy bad ass swat member but in the 0.00001% likelyhood you going to be home and targetted for a home invasion, you're more likely to piss your pants and cry in panic than be capable of tactically countering the home invasion.

Plus, good luck getting your keys which are probably in a room that your firearms aren't, unlocking your firearms, then getting your ammo, which isn't stored with the firearm, loading your firearm, and then confronting the home invaders (usually not 1), in less time than it takes them to run up the stairs and fuck your shit up.

This isn't america where you can have your handgun under your pillow ready to roll.

And IF you did use that weapon, you're spending your life in prison and ruining your family anyway NO MATTER WHAT so why even bother.

If you put "home defense" on your PAL application, they will deny you.
Don't get me wrong I agree with all your points...

but just for fun: lock the rooms door, guns(without a trigger lock) would be in a safe with a pin pad combo lock (no keys), magazines already loaded with ammo(not in the gun), so just open the safe grab the gun+magazines and you're ready to go

Once again agree completely that chances are you won't be able to get your gun, even if you do and shoot at intruders you will most likely get arrested/charged for doing so.
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It's different in Manila.

In the short time I've been here, 3 different neighbours got jacked at gun point, my cousin's store got robbed and a gun fire exchange outside my complex.

Guns are pretty much necessary tools out here in the shit.
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Its funny, everyone, including me and my friends, always put some form of effectiveness of end of the world / zombies / home invasion into our decision making regarding firearms, camping gear, etc, as if it holds a legitimate value among categories like cost/reliability/performance/looks.

But talking about home defense is seriously ridiculous, imo. Everyone thinks they are a billy bad ass swat member but in the 0.00001% likelyhood you going to be home and targetted for a home invasion, you're more likely to piss your pants and cry in panic than be capable of tactically countering the home invasion.

Plus, good luck getting your keys which are probably in a room that your firearms aren't, unlocking your firearms, then getting your ammo, which isn't stored with the firearm, loading your firearm, and then confronting the home invaders (usually not 1), in less time than it takes them to run up the stairs and fuck your shit up.

This isn't america where you can have your handgun under your pillow ready to roll.

And IF you did use that weapon, you're spending your life in prison and ruining your family anyway NO MATTER WHAT so why even bother.

If you put "home defense" on your PAL application, they will deny you.
what about this situation.

i know people who have had their houses broken into while they were there. they didn't have guns, but they ran out with bats or katanas (lol). this of course scared the perpetrator away.

but what if the perpetrator had a knife? wouldn't your gun be justified? you wouldn't need to shoot them. but it's a display of aggression. most people would just flee when they see a gun. and if they lunge at you with the knife, you have the right to blow them away. especially if you have a witness or if you have cuts to prove.

right?

i think most people don't follow lock laws 100%. lol most people i know don't. they can be locked and loaded in like 35 seconds or less.

like honestly, if someone broke in and they had a deadly weapon... i would have some hesitation shooting them, but if they were aggressive and didn't look like they'd back down, i would just blow em away. the prison time is worth the risk taken otherwise. it's just prison man. i'd rather be in prison than dead. lol.
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My safe is easily accessible by me, with the key/keypad. There are several loaded magazines in there(mainly cause Im lazy and dont want to empty them by hand after using them) and can grab something in there, lock and load it in under 15 seconds, if Im trying to.

I dont even have to actually use it to deter or drive someone that is trying to break into my home. Just having it in my hand pointing at them should be enough. Heck even a warning shot into the floor should be convincing enough. Hella loud in a confined space like that. If they are still very aggressive and are threatening myself or my family immediately with no signs of backing down, I will shoot if they attack. I will rather face the consequences than having not tried to protect my family.

The self defense laws in Canada has been amended and somewhat updated in recent years. Protecting yourself or your dwelling with force is legally allowed in Canada. It all depends on the use of force. If they are continually trying to attack/harm you, you have the right to defend yourself, with deadly force if need be.
Example: Guy breaks into your house, you knocked him out, call the cops, probably will not be charged with assault.

Example2: Guys breaks in, sees you, turns and runs away but you chase him down and hit him over the head with a bat. Then you would almost always be charged with something.

It is all about the context of what is happening at the time force was used, and why.

All in all, if someone broke into my house and charged at me/my family with a knife I would not hesitate to shoot. Every situation is different, and will be judged accordingly, but I wont go around just blasting rounds at whoever knocks on my door.
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Again, everyone thinks they can handle the situation, yet when the situation arises, nearly everyone will be overwhelmed with panic and adrenalin and likely pee their pants instead of do anything.

Almost everyone says "If I was in this situation, and some guy did this, Id knock his ass out " but none of these people even make a peep when situations arise.
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Its funny, everyone, including me and my friends, always put some form of effectiveness of end of the world / zombies / home invasion into our decision making regarding firearms, camping gear, etc, as if it holds a legitimate value among categories like cost/reliability/performance/looks.

But talking about home defense is seriously ridiculous, imo. Everyone thinks they are a billy bad ass swat member but in the 0.00001% likelyhood you going to be home and targetted for a home invasion, you're more likely to piss your pants and cry in panic than be capable of tactically countering the home invasion.

Plus, good luck getting your keys which are probably in a room that your firearms aren't, unlocking your firearms, then getting your ammo, which isn't stored with the firearm, loading your firearm, and then confronting the home invaders (usually not 1), in less time than it takes them to run up the stairs and fuck your shit up.

This isn't america where you can have your handgun under your pillow ready to roll.

And IF you did use that weapon, you're spending your life in prison and ruining your family anyway NO MATTER WHAT so why even bother.

If you put "home defense" on your PAL application, they will deny you.
Even in america where you can keep your gun under the pillow, again assuming the very slim odds stack against you and you're the target of a home invasion (seriously, when the hell is the last time you heard of one that didn't involve gangbangers or drugs?), the bad guys always have a jump on you because they're the only ones who know what is going to happen. By the time you wake up and begin to process what in the fuck that noise was buddy is already up the stairs and in your face.

If you DO want some kind of home protection that won't get you in shit, take up golf (stay with me here). Keep a putter and a couple golf balls under the bed, if someone breaks in crack them with the putter and take out the golf balls. Say you couldn't sleep and were fiddling around putting when buddy broke in, you panicking and thwacked him with the club. That is easily believable but midnight target practice or baseball practice, not so much.

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I've been hunting and around guns all my life and to me it's scary when people who weren't raised with them start getting their PAL etc. I've found almost to a person people who get their licenses later in life have a level of respect that makes me not want to be anywhere near them with firearms.
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Not at all, I encourage anyone interested to do so

However, IMO if you're new to firearms you should be even more attentive and careful, yet like I said in my experience the majority of people who get their PAL later in life seem to have a completely careless attitude once their card arrives
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I agree with you Hondaracer. There are a lot of guys I know who I won't go shooting with. I love those bros, but don't trust them around high powered weapons. Everyone needs to be cogniscant of the rules because with guns there are few second chances.

Also, why did a recreational shooter thread turn into 2 pages about home defense. We don't live in Manila people, and unless you have a massive grow op in your basement chances are no one is going to kick down your door for your crappy LCD tv.

I was able to find stats on crime in BC in 2012, and it was down to 77 incidents per 1000 people. That's equal to what crime was in the 70's. The truth is that you're more likely to shoot someone you love by accident, than a robber in your home. That is a fact, and been proven numerous times in the US and South Africa (cough -Pistoriuous- cough). So let's get this thread back on topic.

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I took out my T97 for some recreation shooting the other day, and had a pretty good time.

Brought my new target out.


It's AR500 steel plate mounted to a stand with high grade steel wire. I thought it should be strong enough to take some 5.56 rounds at 75 yards.

Then my buddy shot it with his 30-06.




I was able to get it back up and running and spent the rest of the day plinking the 6" target from a good distance. I love an audible target that is self resetting. Especially when you're looking at 25-30 minutes between green lights at the range on a busy day.

The iron sights are raw. Good for close range, but past 75 or so yards you better get a proper optic.



Had a couple issues with my feed ramp too.


It happened with the stock mag and the crappy Remington ammo. The chinese stuff worked well, and the high end American and Czech ammo was awesome. I loved the 10 round LAR mag too.

All in all, I'm happy with the T97. It's cheap to feed, didn't even put a dent in my budget, and is a lot of fun to shoot.

But it's a paper puncher at best. I definately wouldn't grab this as my only gun if I was in Grizzly territory.
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nice, t97 shoot nice but not a fan of the ergonomics and never am a fan of any guns with carry handles.

how did you get the steel? expensive?

i got one of these bad boys excited to shoot maybe Thursday


i was at poco sun got pretty busy thankfully i can shoot at the lower ranges now
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These are the .50 Beowulf magazines pinned to 5. Those that follow 5.56/.223 guns that take stanag mags know what im talking about
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I'm new to military gear, and am happy as hell with my T97. It is a chinese POS, I will agree. The other night I was having trouble with the sear assembly, only to find one of the undersized pins came out of the fllimsy pot metal sear carrier. That said, it does a lot of things very well. I'm not going to put any money into the T97. But it will be a fun shooter for a while.

I've actually been eyeing up AR's lately. Canadian or American AR's. No more Norc in my safe.


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I'm into what I have above for about $140, including some extra steel for the legs. They tend to take a beating.

I'm going to grab another 8" soon. I really like the gongs, and a pair of them would allow for shooting at different distances without needing a green light, or a 300 yard bush walk.



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Poco is a gong show, especially on the weekends. I shoot in Abbotsford, and there was some serious gear there on Saturday. More Tavors than I could count, a bunch of AR's, and a Kriss Vector. Not to mention a ton of cool handguns, and what appeared to be a semi auto converted Mac 11 machine pistol.



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It was a lot of fun, and gave you the option to mix and match your load. We used to make 9mm rubber rounds that used the primer to fire a rubber cap. It was great for training, as we used to shoot in our basement during the winter.
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cool saw some gong setups around 160 I think I'll take a look later.

I kinda love Abby would be down to go just hit me up when you go, I also go with a buddy who a member there it's more calm and chill there, but as of now I don't mind poco since I can shoot at the lower ranges.

put a couple rounds through my Daniel defense you'll love it

that pistol uzi was probably a brs99 non restricted also it has a nice barrel and shroud
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I'd love to shoot a Daniel Defense. With all my experience, it's a shame that I've never shot an AR chassis gun. They're the epitome of the black rifle, and there are so many different flavors these days. I will build an AR one day. But until then it would be cool to shoot one.

You're right about the BRS too. After googling up an image I found them for sale on CGN.



Not a bad way to spend $1699. It wasn't bad for accuracy, but the look and ergonomics of the gun was worth every penny.



Today would have been a great day for the range. Too bad I'm stuck at work.....

Do you shoot during the week?
I usually head out on a monday or wednesday morning, as the range is quiet. Plus if I get their quick enough, I can be the RO and call green lights as often as I want.
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Any recommendations on a cheap AR? under $1000. I don't need anything fancy just for recreational shooting. I've been eyeing the Domminian arms one for about $700.

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depends on how much youre really willing to spend? honestly ive owned a bushmaster and upgraded to a Daniel defense no regrets, but people who end up buying 1100 arent too bad lots of competition core15, m&p15, windham and olympic arms are doing really well


how do you like the walther? havent shot any of their pistols but i want too
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how do you like the walther? havent shot any of their pistols but i want too
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P99 is a great gun, light weight, good feel to it. Always been my dream gun since I was a kid watching james bond
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