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Old 04-29-2014, 03:51 PM   #26
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You are incorrect about the tanks being only good for 25 years... They hydro test the older tanks and get passed by the engineers if there is a concern but most of the time you don't have to worry at all if they are fibreglass tanks since they are double wall and has a veeder root interstitial monitor on top of the normal tank probs.

I'm the Canadian supplier for ZCL tanks, Gilbarco, Franklin fueling so I know what I'm talking about.
Good to know they will last longer than 25 years.
We just installed some new ZCL tanks last year. Decided to go bigger and get diesel.
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Old 04-30-2014, 06:13 PM   #27
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Valid point regarding the border as an option, but where are you getting your figures from if the OP has yet to figure out his price/liter?
even regular is about $0.30 a liter less in usa, it'll probably be even more than $0.40 and you'll still have to go out of your way to do it.
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even regular is about $0.30 a liter less in usa, it'll probably be even more than $0.40 and you'll still have to go out of your way to do it.
It's all going to depend on supply and demand. And taxes. And overhead. And insurance.

But we are trying to keep it close to the cost of Chevron 94. I think worse case scenario it may be marginally more than that per litre.
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But we are trying to keep it close to the cost of Chevron 94. I think worse case scenario it may be marginally more than that per litre.
IMHO, combined with the lower energy content, and higher price, this is going to be a tough sell here. In the US, due to government corn subsidies, E85 has the big advantage of being cheaper than regular fossil fuel (by volume). That kind of makes up for the lower energy content of E85, but the reality is that people see the significantly lower price at the the pump, and that's what attracts the general public. Unless people really need >94 octane, they're not gonna spend more on something that costs more by volume, and gives them less mileage.
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Good to know they will last longer than 25 years.
We just installed some new ZCL tanks last year. Decided to go bigger and get diesel.
What site do you guys own? We might of spoken before lol
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It's a Esso on Uplands in Nanaimo. 2 pumps. Had a bunch of work done last summer. Tanks, pumps passport system.
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Yup I know your site, Mark Rennie sold it all to you. I'm his inside guy and cover before him while on vacation lol
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Wait so this shit is going to cost even more than Premium up here.



Your never going to sell any, to anyone outside the friends of R.Mutt. Don't waste your energy pursuing this.

Just like teenage boys think with their penis', adults think with their wallets, and spending more money, on effectively less gas mileage is something nobody is going to do.

There is a reason big gas companies are not importing the stuff, there is no money to be made in it.
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Your never going to sell any, to anyone outside the friends of R.Mutt. Don't waste your energy pursuing this.

Just like teenage boys think with their penis', adults think with their wallets, and spending more money, on effectively less gas mileage is something nobody is going to do.

There is a reason big gas companies are not importing the stuff, there is no money to be made in it.
Thanks for the words of wisdom. We are not targeting main stream consumers of Flex Fuel. This is a niche market with a great potential given current interest.
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One thing I am curious about if this does happen will it be true e85 or will we be seeing a winter blend during the colder months? If the ethanol content is lower and we are seeing as low as e75 during the winter then will the price reflect this accordingly?

I didn't even think about the fact that it is subsidized in the US due to vast corn production. Presto brings up a good point.
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One thing I am curious about if this does happen will it be true e85 or will we be seeing a winter blend during the colder months? If the ethanol content is lower and we are seeing as low as e75 during the winter then will the price reflect this accordingly?

I didn't even think about the fact that it is subsidized in the US due to vast corn production. Presto brings up a good point.
There are specific regulations with respect to vapour pressure. In the warmer months, we can definitely have a true E85 blend, but the seasonality will likely require us to drop down to E75 when it's colder. We are still looking into this as nobody in BC has ever supplied E85 even though the regulations are already in place. I myself would definitely prefer to sell a true E85 product year round if it's allowed.
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The winters here aren't too bad, but I've read that E85 starts rough in cold weather (<5c). Cold temps will also produce worse fuel economy. Winter may be a wash for E85. Since you're aiming for niche, have you considered offering high-octane race fuel, instead? I applaud your effort, but you have quite a steep hill to scale!
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The winters here aren't too bad, but I've read that E85 starts rough in cold weather (<5c). Cold temps will also produce worse fuel economy. Winter may be a wash for E85. Since you're aiming for niche, have you considered offering high-octane race fuel, instead? I applaud your effort, but you have quite a steep hill to scale!
Most definitely a steep hill, but things are coming together.
My car has been running on full E85 for the past year and the tune already adjusts for cold start on E85 and it starts up like a champ!

We did consider importing Sunoco race fuels as well, and that plan may be in our future, but for now we are focusing on E85 because there seems to be quite a bit of demand for it.
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Most definitely a steep hill, but things are coming together.
My car has been running on full E85 for the past year and the tune already adjusts for cold start on E85 and it starts up like a champ!

We did consider importing Sunoco race fuels as well, and that plan may be in our future, but for now we are focusing on E85 because there seems to be quite a bit of demand for it.
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I like E85 but it's a bad business idea. No one's going to put E85 or tune their car for E85 just because of one gas station. People would be like wtf is that and just press 91/94. Not worth.
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Gas station is coming online. We took over as of July 1. Should be selling E85 very soon!
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I don't know a thing about fuel. But from what I was told I would even be happy with a true 94 octane. Not the shit chevron sells.
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Is this the place? https://www.google.ca/maps/place/437...08c511!6m1!1e1

How current is the pic?
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but dos it look the same as the pic?
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I literally just came back here to bump this thread, because this new "Arcade" gas station has been blowing up my FB feed.

Good to see you got it going, I was skeptical, about the feasibility, but I wish you guys the best of luck.

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