ICBC Collector Plates + era specific modifications?

[Mr.C]

Hey everyone, tried to search for this but couldn't find it.

What kind of modifications are allowed to a car and still have it be eligible for collector's plates? Yes, I've read the ICBC website and it's very very vague.

Is there a specific department that takes care of that? Anyone know contact info?

Thanks!

[dared3vil0]

30 seconds of google search...

http://www.icbc.com/vehicle-registra...ries-parts.pdf

Spoiler!

Wheels and Tires
Yes you can…
• change your wheel size (not more than one inch taller and wider)
• upgrade your tires from bias ply to radials
• install era correct wheels and hubcaps
Brakes
Yes you can…
• upgrade your drum brakes to disc brakes*
Lights and Lamps
Yes you can…
• upgrade your headlights, brake and fog lights with era correct
DOT approved halogen lights or add a third brake light
Fuel System
Yes you can…
• change your intake manifold (must not be a high rise)
• change your carburetor (must be same size as originally equipped
or provided as a factory option for that model and year)
• upgrade your mechanical fuel pump to electric
No you can’t…
• change your fuel system from that originally equipped
• change from carburator to fuel injection
Exhaust
Yes you can…
• upgrade cast iron to steel ceramic coated headers
• replace the exhaust system with one that is similar to that
provided by the original equipment manufacturer
• replace exhaust system to stainless steel
Electrical
Yes you can…
• add an electronic ignition
• add an electric cooling fan
• upgrade your generator to an alternator
• upgrade your electrical system from 6 volts to 12 volts
• add an alarm system, immobilizer, fl ashing alarm light or a GPS
monitored alarm system
Steering and Suspension
Yes you can…
• upgrade your steering to power steering or rack and pinion*
• upgrade your suspension with new shock absorbers
No you can’t…
• raise or lower your vehicle by more than one inch/2.5 cm
• add ladder bars, traction bars or shackles
• change your leaf springs to coil springs
Body and Paint
Yes you can…
• refi nish your vehicle with a base coat clear coat paint system
• change the colour of your vehicle to any colour offered by that
manufacturer for that model and year (all inner body panels and
fi re wall originally paint matched to the exterior must also match
exterior colour change)
• add an aftermarket era correct sunroof
• add an era correct roll bar to a convertible
No you can’t…
• install a roll cage
• have custom paint work or custom stripes
Interior and Upholstery
Yes you can…
• install an era correct aftermarket radio/tape player (model year
vehicles 1987 and newer may have era correct CD players)
• upgrade your radio and speakers with modern functionality as
long as they are visually indistinguishable from the radio and
speaker system originally installed
• install aftermarket temperature, oil pressure and voltage gauges
(must be era correct, e.g. black background only)
• install an era correct aftermarket tachometer (e.g. no oversized
tachometer with lights)
• reupholster your seat/interior so long as the material/fabric
matches that originally installed
No you can’t...
• change an analog radio with a radio with a digital face
• add aftermarket hidden audio equipment (e.g., subwoofer,
amplifi er, CD changer, etc.)
Other
Yes you can…
• add seat belts
• install a bicycle rack, trailer hitch or an era correct canopy or
camper
• upgrade to stainless steel brake and fuel lines
No you can’t…
• install an aftermarket window tint
• add steel braided hoses or cables (other than brake and fuel lines)
• install colour anodized engine compartment dress up kits or
connections
Engine Compartment
Yes you can…
• add era correct engine dress up kit and va

[Zordon]

^ that's all you need to know. If your car is 1958 or older then go nuts.

Anything else is considered a "stock collector".

[godwin]

The contact info is on the top right corner of the form!!

http://www.icbc.com/vehicle-registra...tor-status.pdf

Originally Posted by Mr.C

Hey everyone, tried to search for this but couldn't find it.

What kind of modifications are allowed to a car and still have it be eligible for collector's plates? Yes, I've read the ICBC website and it's very very vague.

Is there a specific department that takes care of that? Anyone know contact info?

Thanks!

[vitaminG]

They are pretty vague. Most of the era correct modifications that are referred to are specific to classic American cars. There's no mention of allowing aftermarket cold air intakes for example. It specifically says you can replace shocks and says you cannot replace leaf springs with coil over, but doesn't say if you can replace shocks and springs with a coilover.

I don't have a vehicle that could qualify, but I wouldn't mind clarification if anyone knows

[hud 91gt]

It says you can't lower the car more then an inch from stock height. Throw a coil over in if you want

[vitaminG]

It's seems like with 90s cars soon being eligible they might need to update their criteria to accommodate newer vehicles.

Here's another one what about engine swaps? They make no mention of this but I'm guessing a significant amount of 60s muscle cars that are collector plated don't have original engines.

What about a DA Integra with vtec swap? Vtec was technically optional in the da. Again I don't own one, I'm just curious

[fliptuner]

It says era correct (within 2 years) not numbers matching.

[hud 91gt]

Era correct within two years, of the same model vehicle.

It also states when you fill out the collectors plates application form your engine is not modified in anyway.

[Zordon]

Originally Posted by vitaminG

They are pretty vague. Most of the era correct modifications that are referred to are specific to classic American cars. There's no mention of allowing aftermarket cold air intakes for example. It specifically says you can replace shocks and says you cannot replace leaf springs with coil over, but doesn't say if you can replace shocks and springs with a coilover.

I don't have a vehicle that could qualify, but I wouldn't mind clarification if anyone knows

In order to be approved for a "Stock collector" plate, your vehicle needs to be as stock as possible. Meaning only modifications can be done that are on the approved list.

A cold air intake is not on the approved list, you would need the stock air box.

Shocks can be replaced with oem stock shocks or as specified for height.

Here's another one what about engine swaps? They make no mention of this but I'm guessing a significant amount of 60s muscle cars that are collector plated don't have original engines.

Engine swaps for stock collectors must be engines that are available at that time for that specific model and manufacturer. For example, if you have a 1990 Mazda Miata with a 1.6 blown motor and you wanted to swap a 1.8. You would not qualify as it is not era correct +2 years as the 1.8 wasn't available until 94. You could swap in another 1.6 motor from another vehicle though.

People who drive their cars with swapped motors that are do not fit in the criteria run into breach issues when they are involved in accidents.

Bottom line for collector plates, you have to be stock or how the vehicle came off the factory line with some approved mods.

[ancient_510]

Originally Posted by bklam

People who drive their cars with swapped motors that are do not fit in the criteria run into breach issues when they are involved in accidents.

Exactly. I know many guys with cars eligible for collector plates that don't have them. The would love the cost savings but there are horror stories of ICBC adjusters invalidating their insurance over silly little things.

In one story I've heard: new wheels went on after collector plate approval; he was rear ended and ICBC said "sorry, nope" to the collision payout.

[dared3vil0]

Originally Posted by bklam

Engine swaps for stock collectors must be engines that are available at that time for that specific model and manufacturer. For example, if you have a 1990 Mazda Miata with a 1.6 blown motor and you wanted to swap a 1.8. You would not qualify as it is not era correct +2 years as the 1.8 wasn't available until 94. You could swap in another 1.6 motor from another vehicle though.

So here's an interesting question, 25 years from now, could someone with a Mustang V6/GT swap in a GT500 motor and have collector plates?

[mb_]

Assuming the rules will be the same then it sounds like it could

[dared3vil0]

^ Well i was thinking the same thing, but it seems a bit odd they would allow something like that, but not allow an aftermarket air intake.

Same thing would be like buying an E30 318i, and swap an E30 M3 motor in, and have a collector-plateable vehicle. Seems weird.

[Zordon]

I stand corrected.

Motor swap must be from the same model +2 years and cannot have any any performance enhancements.

Step 3, under engine compartments in the previously posted link. http://www.icbc.com/vehicle-registra...tor-status.pdf

[Zordon]

Originally Posted by dared3vil0

So here's an interesting question, 25 years from now, could someone with a Mustang V6/GT swap in a GT500 motor and have collector plates?

I'm going to check on this cause I recall something similar... I'll keep you posted.

[Mr.C]

I was curious if I could collector plate an E38 750iL with an AC Schnitzer kit/exhaust. They could be ordered at dealerships, and would be delivered 'modded'.

Edit: Under the < 1500/year produced exemption.

[vitaminG]

Originally Posted by Mr.C

I was curious if I could collector plate an E38 750iL with an AC Schnitzer kit/exhaust. They could be ordered at dealerships, and would be delivered 'modded'.

Edit: Under the < 1500/year produced exemption.

its no different than say a shelby mustang a hurst 442 or asc mclaren buick gnx. i wonder if they even qualify since they are technically all modified significantly from stock by 3rd parties.

also it seems odd that they allow; headers, full exhaust, intake manifold and carburetor but they wouldnt allow a cold air intake. the whole list of allowable modifications seems a little biased towards classic american cars.

[fliptuner]

Most of the allowable modifications are aimed towards safety, availability and originality.

When it says full exhaust, it's followed by "with one that is similar to OEM". An intake manifold that isn't highrise (meaning it's for a V motor) would probably be lighter and more efficient, yet still look stock. Same goes for the carb replacement.

And yes, the approved parts list is antiquated and geared towards older American cars.

[godwin]

"Editions" and Individual doesn't count.. ICBC counts world wide runs of cars so in your case it will be 750iL for your year, and they do it by the VIN. That's why Alpina would qualify because they have their own VIN by AC won't because they are not officially an auto manufacturer.

Originally Posted by Mr.C

I was curious if I could collector plate an E38 750iL with an AC Schnitzer kit/exhaust. They could be ordered at dealerships, and would be delivered 'modded'.

Edit: Under the < 1500/year produced exemption.

[Zordon]

If the engine is from factory, you can swap your motor to a bigger factory stock motor and still qualify for collector status. Has to be +2 years. Motor would have to be purely stock

[Mr.C]

Originally Posted by godwin

"Editions" and Individual doesn't count.. ICBC counts world wide runs of cars so in your case it will be 750iL for your year, and they do it by the VIN. That's why Alpina would qualify because they have their own VIN by AC won't because they are not officially an auto manufacturer.

There were three or four years that there were less than 1500 750iL & 750i produced.

[godwin]

As long as you can prove it to ICBC then you should be fine. I know BMW Canada want quite a few $$ for that letter and they won't tell you until the number until you pay.

Originally Posted by Mr.C

There were three or four years that there were less than 1500 750iL & 750i produced.

[rajnator]

I have a 76 stingray and got collectors plate on it. Firstly the engine, interior and radio be factory or era correct. That means even though the radio is not exclusively by let's say Chevy, if it fits in my car and is from the same year per say its acceptable. Any other modifications must have written documentation stating they are era or factory set. I got my letter from corvette specialities

[rajnator]

something like lowering your car or fancy exhaust icbc won't know a thing. but something visible like maybe a "mono",steering ain't going to work.