Palestine & Israel I'm really surprised this hasn't been posted already on Revscene. I've been watching the non existence news report here and than I saw a news report from Aljazeera and I am just blown away with what the Israel government is getting away with. There has been over 28 UN sanctions against Israel during this assault into Gaza. On Facebook all I see is children and the public being killed. There was a report where out of the roughly 500 people killed that 80% have been civilians. I have a two year old and watching kids being basically murdered is ridiculous. Discuss |
UN to investigate Israel's Gaza offensive - Middle East - Al Jazeera English UN now is investigating Israel offensive into Gaza. 29 states voted in favour of the investigation. 17 abstained, including many EU states. 1 voted against - the US. |
Good thing the UN's getting involved! |
Israel = US. There's your answer as to why they are able to get away with it. The local media will not report about it because Western Media = Western Government... and the UN is a joke to me after what happened with Iraq. UN told the US not to go into Iraq. Guess what happened? |
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News reporter were interviewing four young boys playing soccer and not even half an hour later a missile strike killed the four boys in front of the reporters. |
They were tired of Gaza firing random rockets all over the place and finally said we've had enough and moved in with their ground offensive. Honestly, this shit isn't going to end until isreal just flattens the palastinians and even then, what are you going to do? Emalgamate the remaining "non-threats" into Israeli culture and have suicide bombers non stop? There's no end in sight for this stuff |
What are these Arab countries you speak of? Saudi Arabia? They have been under US control since the 80's... Iraq? They got their own problems... Iran? I don't really want to see them involved because then the US will have to step in and the crazy Iranian fucks will fire nukes. No good for anyone |
:Popcorn This ought to be good. |
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Its not even about the "war" anymore. The stories are about innocent kids being killed. How does destroying a hospital or firing into heavily populated civilians area help their war? |
They were exchanging fire after those kids got killed Forever now though Gaza has been firing rockets into Israeli territory, shit Is like WW2 with occupied France firing V2's into London |
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zionist bs incoming!!!!!!! |
When it actually ditrecty involves Jews there is no conspiracy |
The whole Flotilla incident back in 2010 got me interested in investigating the Israel / Palestinian conflict. Let's just say I have my own views on this matter and they don't sway in favour of the Israeli government at all. There are Arabs & Jews who only want to coexist in peace with each other but that will never happen with stubborn, rich, powerful sociopathical politicians who spout rhetoric like a broken record, feeling that if you throw the words against the oblivious over and over again that it will eventually stick. Between Benny and Kerry, the latter comes off as the marionette. |
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There will be pro Israel and pro Palestine people on here but try to look at it this way. Look at this situation as a human being. What did a 1 year old child do to deserve to be killed? Or 4 brothers in their young teens? |
go back far enough and you'll see the jewish empire shrink just like Palestine did lol. it's just an exchange of territory, done in the most old fashion way possible. just a game us humans play over and over and over and over and over and over again. being 2014AC vs 900BC makes no difference. technology may have changed, but the ones wielding it haven't. we are still human. and we will conduct business like humans do. to be honest... (israel and all that they encompass) + (Palestinians and all that they encompass) = current result. there is no other answer to this equation. this is literally the only way things could have turned out. no matter how many times we turn back time or try to change the dynamics of the game... the same result will happen. like drunk driving, the problem isnt the rules or the cars or the alcohol... its people. just like gun laws. drug laws. any other form of control. they dont work, because the issue is human nature. not anything else. we are the reason why everything is the way it is. no more, no less. that being said, anyone that disagrees, please provide a solution where both parties would agree and put their guns down lol. sorry, there isnt a solution as long as homo sapiens are the actors, that was a trick question. instead of hating on this situation, we should be proud, proud that we're not dropping nukes and defending our values (subjective to individuals/cultures/religions) and wants and needs at ANY COST even at the annihilation of the self and everyone around us. this is literally a blessing in disguise. it provides dynamic change and advancement, hidden in a shroud of death and misery (it's okay, more babies will be borned. those civilians and soldiers will be replaced so we can perpetuate this mode of advancement). advancement is a machine gun, and human life is the ammo. no doubt about it. it sucks, sorta. i mean, we here in vancouver are enjoying an artificial environment built on hundreds of thousands of years of advancement built on bloodshed. who are we to say it's bad lol. we are living off of it, and so will our kids. and their kids. etc. i mean, part of me thinks its really bad, but ... the other part of me goes... "i dont think humans have known any other way, there has never been another way? is another way just a delusional thought? some idealistic thought? lol, maybe this IS the best way..." history proves so. |
Israeli government seems to be a little trigger happy, when they can find other ways to go after the militants without bombing the city where children are everywhere. Hamas and the militants on the other hand have been provoking Israel for years by shooting rockets at Israeli civilians and bombing busses, yet no one on facebook or what not seemed to care about that? US funding provides Israel's offensive weapons, but the US also helped develop the Iron Dome which is why we don't see posts of dead Israeli children and civilians. Long story short, both sides are fucked up and nothing we can do but let them fight it out. Israel will continue to defend themselves without discrepancy between civilians and militants, and palestinian militants will continually attack civilians and hide within their own people like cowards. |
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Honestly, I'm willing to let this work itself out. I'm not all that bothered by any of the Middle East anymore. There's enough stuff for us to work out here for me to use my limited amount of care on. Yes, civilian deaths are horrible but there isn't a damn thing any of us can do about it and the West should just stay out of it anyways. Every time the West interferes with the Middle East, something else catastrophic happens so how about we just let them do their thing? |
Older members who may remember my past posts, were probably expecting me to make a thread about this but I've been refraining to do so for a couple reasons 1) being the tragic situation is just getting me too emotional to post about 2) I've been concerned that CiC's imminent joining in on the discussion will turn off everyone else to the tragedy of the situation. So i'll try to make this short and then retreat from the discussion. This latest incident started because 3 Israeli teens who live in colonies taken over from Palestinians were killed after hitchhiking, it's unknown who killed them or why but Israel took this opportunity to blame Hamas as it was the perfect situation to paint blame as Hamas was finally conforming with the West Bank and forming a unity government (which incensed Israel) This caused Israeli citizens to kidnap and beat a Palestinian boy and then burning him alive. That's what sparked the conflict, prior to that the ceasefire was seemingly working aside from the economic blockade not being lifted. But now we have a repeat of the destruction of Gaza. And Israel keeps trying to justify murder but :seriously: you can't justify murder not even the Nazis did that. There are now Over 650 civilian deaths, thousands injured and well over 100,000 displaced within their ghetto. Yes I call Gaza a ghetto because that's what it is...everything about it is monitored and controlled by Israel, most homes did not have running water even before this incursion and Gaza itself only has electricity for several hours a day, Hospitals are kept with inadequate supply of meds, homes are still in tatters from the prior conflicts as construction supplies are kept out of the area; food is scarce as well, that's a ghetto. There are only 2 entrances into the ghetto and they are kept locked so the only way to get any form of supplies into the ghetto are through tunnels, tunnels which Israel has consistently layed waste to. How is it not a Ghetto? how is whats described not like Nazi ghettos which had secret routes where Jews used to bring in food or help people escape? Gaza is a ghetto. Israel drops leaflets or makes phone calls before they bomb an area but BBC news correspondents say from the moment leaflets are dropped or people are called there is less than 1 minute before the bombs actually drop. So civilians have to run as fast as they can from one corner of the ghetto to the other...the psychological effects must be staggering. Israel just bombed a Hospital, a hospital! There have been numerous news correspondents for agencies/channels like ABC News, CNN, Reuters who have been speaking out against what they've been witnessing on the ground (from indiscriminate attacks on civilians to Israelis cheering over the bombing of homes) those correspondents have been removed from their posts...CiC made a post about that but I've no doubt it went largely ignored due to the "CiC effect". I know Israel is trying to make a case with the "rockets" that militants are firing in (there is some merit there) but what people don't realize is that, previously, those rockets were homemade coffee cans that don't make it past the fields into any habitable area and those that do make it through simply knock the paint off of a house (thats how weak they were) In addition to that, the rockets had only been flying into occupied territories, cities taken over by Israel by throwing out Palestinians (Gazans) from their homes and moving Israelis in, so it would be like me throwing rocks at my home after you kicked me out of it! I know It may sound like I'm saying 'come on so what?' but I'm not I just want a better picture of whats actually going on because people who look at the issue passingly, imagine actual military type rockets and think that they're landing into an inhabited area that's also legitimately Israels and (but they weren't) I admit this time around though the militants seem to have stronger rockets that are reaching further in and capable of causing actual damage to the point of activating the Israeli Iron Dome. So let me say here I don't agree with the militants and Hamas' tactics! I actually think it's the dumbest thing they could do because they know it won't do anything except illicit Israels indiscriminate murder of Palestinians. But I understand why they're fighting back, in what I imagine they view to be, the best way they know how. After all they're psychologically tortured, economically deprived, and malnourished, uneducated people (thanks to Israel)... So who wouldn't be fighting back in anyway possible after being subjected to the atrocities they have been? even Jews fought back against the Nazis whichever way they knew how. But at least there was an end for the Jewish plight as the world came to their aid...The question is when will it come for Palestinians. edit israel bombed a hospital again today saying that only militants were in the hospital -_- |
UN has been useless for most military affairs since the Rwandan genocide... they really should be disbanded to save all govts some money. |
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This is the problem with Hamas/ They COULD fire from open unpopulated areas but they don't. They use the civilians as cover. Until now Israel has had a lot of restraint NOT firing rockets to where they were coming from. And instead of carpet bombing the areas they decided to go in on foot to limit as many casualties. I've read hours on the topic over the last few weeks and there is so much more to everything. There is a really good AMA on Reddit that has a lot of the background info going back to the 1800's and how it got where it is today. I don't support civilians being killed, but at what point do they go "enough is enough with all these rockets, were going in".. that happened now. Something like 2,200 rockets have been fired from Gaza into Israel since July 8th. Think about that for a minute. Hamas as openly said they are for the complete destruction of the state of Israel and the killing of Jews. Who is the real terrorist organization? Not Israel. |
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