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i entirely agree with what you're saying - i'd rather get into a car crash than a plane crash (or a train crash), but i bet most of us have been in car accidents here, with 0 or 1 having been in a plane accident.
having said that, with all the automation of flying, there is a group of thought that pilots aren't as capable and ready to act, as they act so much less than before.
an interesting issue, certainly - i'd still rather have computer control with human review than complete human control (unless denzel is flying it... drunk).
as for asian airlines - if the airline can't fly in US airspace, I won't fly on it. that's the only way to decrease your risk from shit maintenance.
a friend of mine who flies A340s recommends I fly with non asian pilots (not racist) as he says it's a cultural thing for the co pilot to not speak up LOAD if something is wrong, as was seen in the SF Aseana crash those years ago, co pilot spoke up/warned, but pilot knocked him down, then crashed.
I'm pretty sure you can't choose flights based on the ethnicity of the pilots lol unless there's a way to find out whois flying before purchasing the tickets? :/
Is this true? I would assume impact to a fuel tank regardless of fuel in engine or not will still cause a huge fireball.
I didn't see any videos of the explosion...but I'm assuming it's minimized because it collided into a body of water
Yes, that is IF they had the time to complete the procedures (unsure about the ATR, but on Boeing aircraft the procedures call for two switches to be shut off/pulled, shutting off the fuel flow to the engine at several key points all at once.)
flash point of jet fuel is pretty high.(far higher than your typical automobile fuel - it's something like +40C IIRC). It's not that easy to light unless you have a really significant ignition source.
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his past posts suggest he's a pilot so just ing in this thread
I just like to fish around for answers to questions I get asked.
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The ATR is completely capable of flying on one engine. Never had to dodge bridges or buildings when I flew one. In fact, you could even climb away.
If I remember correctly securing an engine was pretty similar to every other airliner out there. The fact that this one is about 20 years newer then the generation I have experience with probably makes it's even more simple. Power, idle. Prop/fuel, cut off. master, off. Big red fire alarm going off? Push that button too.
Simple hands and feet and lack of experience. I'll say it once, and unfortunately I'll have to say it again in the future too.
BTW, 4444 speaks the truth about Asian pilots. It is getting better with time but it is a real situation. I'm totally putting all Asian ethnicities into one broad statement and that may not be true. But it has been shown over and over it is in "their" culture not to question authority. It is similar to the early days in North America where two crew airliners had one Ww2 pilot, and the other off the street. The WW2 was like a god who knew all. He generally never listened to the young inexperienced person. It caused a lot of accidents. Through time, whether it's because these guys died off or attitudes changed. The culture changed as well. Everyone in the flight deck has a point of view, if you don't bring up your concerns you can be penalized. Quite the opposite from what has been seen in the past.
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It would not be certified to fly if it wasn't. At the airliner level, the a/c has to have a certain amount of performance in a single engine situation to continue a take off and fly away. The heaviest part of the flight. It won't be mind blowing performance, but it will fly away.
You'll hear some people say small airplanes if they lose an engine it's just a slow decent to the ground. That's true. They also weren't certified at the airline level and have much different regulations.
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yes, by having more accidents, and then learning from them.
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So just an update on the plane crash.
Turns out the captain turned off the left side engine which was operating normally, instead of the right engine which had failed. An extremely typical and basic single engine mishandling mistake.
I must say, for a captain, or even a pilot in general who has almost 5000 hours, that is a very dumb mistake. =/
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............almost as dumb as the Seattle Seahawks blunder.
turned off other engine and thought it will restart again after what?????? plane correcting itself? with both engines now off, you can't do shit. Maybe watching too many Black Sheep Squadron reruns....... Pappy Boyington stunt.