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Old 02-21-2015, 06:38 PM   #26
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Ehh for me, I feel like doctors nowadays are no different than some service advisers at your dealership.

I know people who have taken pills to balance themselves out. Then they take another pill to counteract the side effects of the first pill. Then repeat prescriptions as desired.

That is not for all

I use my own methods to 'balance it out'. I also have my own beliefs on this subject but will refrain from sharing them as this subject can be quite polarizing and sensitive.

Only question I can't get an answer to is this:

Does more developed geography = higher probability of mental issues? I mean would Syrian refugees ever experience the varying levels of mental health problems that someone living in the heart of SoCal would?

Now obviously a refugee has a very high probability of having mental health problems (PTSD comes to mind) but at least we can see the cause and effect. How does it apply to someone living very comfortably in SoCal?
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Old 02-21-2015, 10:06 PM   #27
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My brother grew up with ADHD, the real thing. I only came to that conclusion much later, as this was in the 80's back when it was just "developmental issues" or something like that. Maybe they over-prescribe it now, but I wouldn't say that it's not a real issue with some (probably MANY) people.

I've never been diagnosed but I probably have it too in some form, along with bouts of depression that come and go. I don't take prescriptions but I use supplements and exercise to ward it off. I'm sure I could just get prescriptions to even me out, but I don't want to depend on something that strong.

IMO if you've never had actual depression, there's nothing you can really say about it. While exercise is a good solution for it, it's not quite as easy as going out and doing it and all of a sudden you're cured. For many, prescription meds are a good solution I'm sure.

But overall, I think people here are right in that it is often used as a quick solution. I don't trust doctors overall. They are usually lazy, and don't really care about their patients. They are pitched bullshit by the pharmaceutical companies, and unless you happen to come across one that actually does the work on their own, you're not going to get treated well.
ADHD and depression are real thing, the video isn't really arguing about that.

The problem with psychiatrists is that their diagnosis procedure.
They do absolutely no scientific research or diagnosis.
Everything is done by observations and interviews, and the psychiatrists' personal point of view.

Proper way to diagnose depression for example, it to examine or hormone balance, brain chemical balance(dopamine, endorphine, all sorts of stuff) and all the other physical examination and i'm sure there are other things real doctors do.

I know you may not have an hour to watch the video but it's well worth it.
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So what you're saying is people who spent years treating, studying and researching mental health can't make an educated diagnosis without labwork while you just watching a one hour youtube already know the in's and out's of diagnosing someone with a complicated disorder...
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Is medication over-prescribed? Definitely. Do some mental health issues require medication? I would say yes.

My father suffered from depression, and "real" or not, it was bad enough that he took his own life. When he was on medication he was a lot happier, but when he would stop taking his meds he didn't realize he was worse. He felt bad for depending on them and tried to live without them. But we saw that it was worse without. Obviously we had no idea he was suicidal or we would have done something.

I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder in 2011 after a manic episode which was triggered by me stopping taking my depression medication because I didn't believe I needed them. The place that this is all fucked up is that 1) I have no idea whether I actually did need my depression medication, because I didn't come off it in a controlled way, and 2) I will always be very slightly skeptical that my bipolar disorder requires the 7 medications I'm on, because the manic episode was triggered by me going off my meds.

I have no doubt I have bipolar disorder; I spent nearly a month in hospital and at some points thought I was jesus (this is not as fun as it sounds, trust me) and decided I was going to climb everest, next year, and all sorts of other fun stuff. But what I do doubt is that I need to be on 7 medications. I think I was on 8 before, but it's hard to keep track sometimes.

The meds mess me up. I have no desire for sex, and if for some reason I do have the desire, I need my cialis prescription. Several of my meds have weight gain as a side effect. All sorts of other little things too that I feel are medication-related.

I dunno.. not very happy where I am right now, and every other doctor I've spoken to says "wow, you're on a lot of medication". Maybe I need medication, but 7??
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the general public puts too much trust in their doctors. take their word like its from god. blindly take the medicine their prescribed like its life or death. at least google the prescription and know what youre taking.

many times i have been prescribed extra pills for symptoms i dont have.
example: i got strep throat but i didnt have runny nose/mucus. googled up my pills and couple of them were for runny nose and phlegm which i did not have. only took the anitbiotics, healed up fine.

lets not forget that medical malpractice/negligence is one of the leading causes of death. it was something like 400 000 preventable death a couple years ago. (in america)

A New, Evidence-based Estimate of Patient Harms Associated w... : Journal of Patient Safety

its also very inefficient that each doctor has a specialty and the patients get sent around to whatever field the symptom relates to but the doctors don't really collaborate and look at the symptoms as a whole.
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"So called mental disorders have no scientific research, rather, they're all fake and made up just for a sake of selling more drugs."

Fuck. You. Asshole.
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Think of it this way, 50 years ago almost no one was diagnosed with ADHD and depression and etc. Hell even 20 years, when I was a child, I had no kids in my class with ADHD. My younger sister is in school and almost half her class is diagnosed with something.
That would be because we've come a long ways in diagnosing things like ADHD. Just because we didn't previously know how to diagnose something properly doesn't mean it didn't exist...
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For very personal reasons I'm conflicted by this thread - conflicted because while I absaloutely agree that exercise, diet and mental stimulation can cure 90% of all "mental illnesses" personal experience reminds me that there are individuals in this world that struggle with very real psychological disorders. Many of those people are extremely successful and learn to adapt, compensate or adjust for the mental difficulties that prevent an easier path of existence and they do so without a heavy reliance on medicine.

I have sympathy for those diagnosed but it dissipates if those same individuals don't make significant, hard lifestyle changes to find a means to circumvent the hurdles that the disorder presents them with. A reliance purely on medication is not a "hard lifestyle change" but rather a bullshit excuse to be lazy.
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Wanted to see peoples views before commenting..

I can attest that there are "real mental illnesses" yet what you see in society today, is just garbage. Nobody wants to give anything a shot anymore, they want the quick and easy way out. They are willing to not question a "medical professionals" opinion, and just go along with whatever that "doctor" may say.

As denham is stating, he's on 7 prescriptions, yet is skeptical he needs to be. The downside is, he is just following the words of someone he puts trust in. We all do this because were told to, yet its just garbage.

Kids run wild, and people say "oh they have ADHD or ADD, or this or that." Well no, they run wild because they're kids. If you didn't let them sit inside from 3-10pm watching TV and playing video games, and put them into soccer, or swimming, or any kind of fucking sport/activity... Then they would burn their energy off and not be so goddamn wild. Yet that right there "requires" the parents to do something that could be "inconvenient" to their lives.. Yknow, they might have to do something after their "hard day at work."

People are lazy, they think the world is just super tough on them. I've been there, I was "sad/depressed" for awhile. Eventually I figured out myself, that I have to push through it. That it is my battle with myself, and if I'm not happy with the way I'm going, I have to change something. Change isn't easy, but I'm not sad anymore. Sure I might still get really down on myself because my goals were not met in the time I wanted, but that's just life.

Life sucks, but I'm not going to take 4 prescriptions to make my outlook on it better.
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