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I don't know what to say. I'd rather discuss this video: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v...type=2&theater |
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If the biker could control his emotions the whole situation could have been avoided. At the end of the video he sure sounded proud to have been in a second accident. |
If it were ICBC 50/50 everyone gets increased premiums! |
Wouldn't it actually be 50/50 though? The bike shouldn't have gone because it was unsafe and the driver clearly wasn't paying attention since he hit the bike. Or did I miss something? |
Given that video it would obviously be 50/50. Both drivers are guilty of entering an intersection when it was unsafe to do so. I think the MVA here in BC states that unless you can clear the intersection fully you shouldn't enter it at all. Both drivers obviously couldn't do so, so neither of them should have been where they were at the time of the accident. |
Wouldn't it be the riders fault 100% the other car was already in the intersection your only supposed to enter the intersection once all cars have cleared. |
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As for whether he even should have seen the bike - put yourself in the white car's place: you're focused on traffic ahead, anxious to get out of the intersection you've become trapped it, because you know you're pissing off all that cross traffic. Things start to move, you're looking for maybe an escape route into the other lane, and you're sure as hell making sure you don't slam into the back end of the red car in front of you. You know that cars coming from the left have nowhere to go, so nobody is going to be coming from your left, and absolutely the VERY LAST thing ANYONE would expect is that some impatient lunatic on a bike is going to try to squirt between you and the car in front of you. You can see on the video as well, the bike is at or behind the driver's shoulder, probably well outside of his peripheral vision at the best of times - I don't know why there should be ANY expectation that the drive should have seen the bike. As it is, whether the white car was stuck there because he was a dick, or just a victim of bad timing, we don't know... but what we do see is that the bike's move is 100% illegal. |
My take is the accident is 100% the fault of the motorcycle. While the car may have committed an MVA violation by getting stuck in the intersection, the violation itself did not play a role in the accident. The reasoning why the motorcycle is at fault is what Soundy said above. There shouldn't be any reasonable expectation for the car to anticipate anything to go through the space between him and the car ahead of him, and certainly not at the speed that motorcycle did. |
100% the motorcycles fault. That's coming from a fellow rider. He SAW THE RISK AND CHOSE TO WOT it through |
Lol the Wot was the best part what was he going to prove even if he did make it between the two cars. I have gotten annoyed and pulled in the clutch and revved my bike at people jaywalking but never try to gun it past them |
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I do still believe that ICBC would likely have given a little bit of fault to the white car simply to collect deductible from his ass. I think about it this way: If someone is speeding through an intersection and gets hit by a red light runner, if ICBC has documented proof that the speeder was exceeding the speed limit they do still assign a portion of fault to the speeder. This is the exact same case, while the accident was entirely the fault of the rider, the other person did also do something wrong, which had they not been doing the accident would not have happened. |
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The example you gave might not be an apples to apples comparison though, because I'm assuming the act of speeding itself did contribute to the accident, whereas I don't think getting stuck in the intersection did. |
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In fact, if you look at it based on what we see in this video (and assuming this story happened in BC - this video clearly isn't, so what ICBC would do is irrelevant except as a discussion point)... car driver is middle-aged, possibly with several levels of safe driver discount or even RoadStar status, so even if he's 100% at fault, he likely has "accident forgiveness" and won't see a change in his discount anyway. Meanwhile, you have an obviously young, hothead rider - already a poor risk and with minimal discount, if any. If he's 100% at fault, he's far more likely have his premiums jacked and put more money in the coffers. Quote:
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I haven't found anything that says otherwise. |
Why would it work that way? That would be considered double-dipping, would be against every known insurance practice, and would probably be illegal. Plus it would mean there'd be no reason not to call EVERY crash 50/50. |
We don't know why all the cars were stopped past the stop line on a red light facing them so all we can really comment on is the bike. It would be classified as an "unsafe start" under the BC MVA and he could be held responsible for the crash. Starting vehicle 169 A person must not move a vehicle that is stopped, standing or parked unless the movement can be made with reasonable safety and he or she first gives the appropriate signal under section 171 or 172. |
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My impression was that if you're over 25% liable, and you let ICBC pay your portion, your premiums go up according to the CRS. This would make (relative) sense because your premiums don't go up based on the value paid out. If ICBC pays out my $2,000 accident, or $20,000 accident, I move the same number of spots on the CRS. |
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No...all we know froom the video was that the bike made an unsafe start. IF you are left in the middle of an intersection, you cannot sit there for the cycle of the light and must move. The problem is that we do NOT know why the cars were there. The bike should never have started into the intersection unless it was clear. ICBC would have to find that the car drivers should not have been there to assign any liability to them. |
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What reason is there that would have constituted that white car legally having entered the intersection to end up in that position? |
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You saying it's never happened to you? |
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It's why I am very conscious to make sure when I pass the stop line, that I am actually 100% able to go entirely through the intersection. Getting trapped in an intersection, while it happens, is usually the result of impatience, poor driving, or lack of awareness. |
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