Federal Elections 2015

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by Traum

Dude,

I am not religious by any means, but especially with Pope Francis, I have nothing but utmost respect for him, and I trust that a lot of people share the same view. So please, do not speak ill of him in a general, abstract sense.

Yea, that ol' Catholic Church really aligns with my views on touching young boys penises and a complete intolerance of others!

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Yea, that ol' Catholic Church really aligns with my views on touching young boys penises and a complete intolerance of others!

and yet you are still voting con.

[jasonturbo]

Originally Posted by Manic!

and yet you are still voting con.

The more of your posts I read, the less I want to vote Conservative, you make it very clear that those cuts to adult literacy are really having a negative impact on society.

Conservative government abandoning us, literacy groups say | Ottawa Citizen

Spoiler!

From your join date you must be 30+, shame on you, learn to spell already (there, their, they're, through, threw, etc)

I'm actually leaning to the Liberals a bit now, not enough to vote, but enough to not vote for the Cons.

[willystyle]

Still deciding between Trudeau or Mulclair... There are some policy's that I like and dislike from both parties.

I live in a riding where NDP had won their seat for the past 4 elections, so......?????

[meme405]

Voted for the dude with the good hair...

EDIT: Just to be more clear on this, I thank the conservative party for all their immensely informative ads. It really did solidify how important nice hair is.

It would be really embarrassing having our countries head (pun intended) look like this:

[quasi]

I'll be honest I haven't followed the debates or promises that close but how are any of these party's going to keep any promises they've made? Unless i'm missing something we're headed to a minority government and nobody will be able to do anything without the support of at least one other major party. That worked really well when the Conservatives had a minority so well that we kept going back to the polls until they had a majority.

[Traum]

If Trudeau and Mulcair remain true to their word, it seems unlikely that'll be a Conservative minority government at all -- neither Trudeau nor Mulcair will support the Cons, and I doubt there'll be enough Greens / independents to prop Harper up to form a minority government. Reciting from my decidedly poor Canadian parliamentary history, I think there have been past precedence where the party with the most seats did not manage to form government -- the runner up received the blessings (and support) from the 2nd runner up to form government instead.

At this point, it seems most likely to me that we will see some kind of minority government lead by the Liberals, with support coming from NDP. IMO, it makes more sense for Mulcair to seek a coalition government with Trudeau since I think the NDP can squeeze more out of this election that way. If the NDP can secure a coalition government, it means they can have a few NDP MPs to be appointed to key positions -- probably a fixed number of ministers or something along those lines. This will give them a lot more say in federal government operations.

If the NDP are merely happy to play the supporter role, the ministers will all be Liberal MPs. While I see this being an inferior arrangement for NDP, they can still leverage their position and bend the Liberals to accommodate some of their demands when policies are drafted, but without actually doing the heavy duty lifting work themselves. Plus, if things go sideways with certain policies, they can wash their hands clean and claim that it was a Liberals-lead policy, instead of one that is lead by NDP.

Personally, I think a Liberals minority government is more likely, but I would prefer a Lib-NDP coalition instead, since I think a coalition government will likely last longer.

[willystyle]

Originally Posted by quasi

I'll be honest I haven't followed the debates or promises that close but how are any of these party's going to keep any promises they've made?

They will likely forget most of their election promises when they win.

Our political system has failed, it does not run effectively and efficiently, and if you ask me what a better solution would be. I wouldn't know either.

It's really a matter of choosing the lesser of three evils. Which is sad in reality cause ideally, there shouldn't be any evils.

[willystyle]

Originally Posted by Traum

If Trudeau and Mulcair remain true to their word, it seems unlikely that'll be a Conservative minority government at all -- neither Trudeau nor Mulcair will support the Cons, and I doubt there'll be enough Greens / independents to prop Harper up to form a minority government. Reciting from my decidedly poor Canadian parliamentary history, I think there have been past precedence where the party with the most seats did not manage to form government -- the runner up received the blessings (and support) from the 2nd runner up to form government instead.

At this point, it seems most likely to me that we will see some kind of minority government lead by the Liberals, with support coming from NDP. IMO, it makes more sense for Mulcair to seek a coalition government with Trudeau since I think the NDP can squeeze more out of this election that way. If the NDP can secure a coalition government, it means they can have a few NDP MPs to be appointed to key positions -- probably a fixed number of ministers or something along those lines. This will give them a lot more say in federal government operations.

If the NDP are merely happy to play the supporter role, the ministers will all be Liberal MPs. While I see this being an inferior arrangement for NDP, they can still leverage their position and bend the Liberals to accommodate some of their demands when policies are drafted, but without actually doing the heavy duty lifting work themselves. Plus, if things go sideways with certain policies, they can wash their hands clean and claim that it was a Liberals-lead policy, instead of one that is lead by NDP.

Personally, I think a Liberals minority government is more likely, but I would prefer a Lib-NDP coalition instead, since I think a coalition government will likely last longer.

Trudeau didn't appear to have any issues siding with Harper with the passing of Bill C-51.

Mulclair stated yesterday that he will not support the Liberals to form a coalition government. Take it for what it's worth cause politicians always change their damn minds.

[Soundy]

Originally Posted by Ikkaku

I am sorry to correct you on this, but the word is through.

Thank yew.

[jasonturbo]

Originally Posted by willystyle

Mulclair stated yesterday that he will not support the Liberals to form a coalition government. Take it for what it's worth cause politicians always change their damn minds.

Other way around, Mulcair expressed an interest in joining forces with Trudeau, Trudeau said he wasn't interested in working with the NDP if Mulcair was in the picture.

Video: Mulcair says Trudeau 'slammed the door' on coalition - The Globe and Mail

If I was to make a bet, there will be no coalition, there will a silent partnership between the Libs and Cons, regardless of which party wins the most seats.

[Traum]

Originally Posted by willystyle

Trudeau didn't appear to have any issues siding with Harper with the passing of Bill C-51.

Mulclair stated yesterday that he will not support the Liberals to form a coalition government. Take it for what it's worth cause politicians always change their damn minds.

Well, we know they are all flagrant liars. Trudeau has previously stated that he will not support the Cons to form a minority government with Liberal support, so that is where I drew my conclusion from.

I would not at all be surprised to see them changing stance as soon as election results come out. But we will see.

[nah]

If/when the NDP lose, Mulcair will be gone and they will elect a new leader.

[StylinRed]

so the cons are placing chinese ads stating the liberals support brothels....are they trying to help the libs win??

Conservatives repeat Liberal brothel claim despite no evidence - NEWS 1130

[Jmac]

The Greens would be less likely to support the Cons than the NDP and Libs. They're more left than either.

I saw on Global's site that the projections are 1 seat for the Greens and 3 for the Bloc. No independents. It's very much a 3-way race with the NDP being the dark horse.

[StylinRed]

Originally Posted by jasonturbo

Other way around, Mulcair expressed an interest in joining forces with Trudeau, Trudeau said he wasn't interested in working with the NDP if Mulcair was in the picture.

Video: Mulcair says Trudeau 'slammed the door' on coalition - The Globe and Mail

If I was to make a bet, there will be no coalition, there will a silent partnership between the Libs and Cons, regardless of which party wins the most seats.

You would think Trudeau would be all for working with the NDP considering thats how his dads government survived in the 70s (though it also wasnt an official coalition)

Not to mention the greatest achievements for Canadians occurred when Tommy Douglas and Lester Pearson worked together

[CorneringArtist]

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[nah]

Originally Posted by Jmac

The Greens would be less likely to support the Cons than the NDP and Libs. They're more left than either.

I saw on Global's site that the projections are 1 seat for the Greens and 3 for the Bloc. No independents. It's very much a 3-way race with the NDP being the dark horse.

Oh thank god we might eventually see the Bloc going away...

[tool001]

cheez,, they can't say they will support each other before the elections... cause that's a given way to lose votes... people will think it don't matter if i vote ndp or lib.. in the end they will form a coalition either way..

wait for elections to pan out, then the dealing start.

[murd0c]

WOW I'm surprised and happy about how many people are voting Liberal compared to the Conservatives.. Hopefully this is more of the case out side of RS

[underscore]

Looking at the poll options, are you guys calling a spoiled ballot a throwaway? Or is that referring to something else?

[Lomac]

Originally Posted by tool001

cheez,, they can't say they will support each other before the elections... cause that's a given way to lose votes... people will think it don't matter if i vote ndp or lib.. in the end they will form a coalition either way..

wait for elections to pan out, then the dealing start.

This.

Saying you're willing to form a coalition is basically stating you're going to lose and are trying to hedge your bets. No one wants to admit they're going to lose ahead of voting day.

[Jmac]

Originally Posted by underscore

Looking at the poll options, are you guys calling a spoiled ballot a throwaway? Or is that referring to something else?

I think it means voting for some esoteric party (eg. Marxist-Leninist) not because you support their ideals, but to protest the mainstream parties.

[underscore]

Interesting, I thought a spoiled ballot was the best way to do that.

[dachinesedude]

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