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The John Norwich Riders Corner In honour of our fellow moderator: John Norwich R.I.P. September 17th, 2014
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Old 10-18-2015, 01:52 PM   #26
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Are you ready for a (new) baby Panigale?

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Called Pacific to see if they have any details/pricing

They didn't even know about this bike.... and the guy was pretty rude.... I just want to know how much and if its coming to canada -.-
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That's absurd that he would be rude. What a totally unnecessary way to deter somebody from spending money at your shop in the future.
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Any news on a newer generation Suzuki GSXR 600/750?
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Any news on a newer generation Suzuki GSXR 600/750?
It's interesting when you look at the market.

Prior to 2008-2009, the sports bike market in the United States was on fire. As a result, and in an effort to promote their offerings, Japanese manufacturers were routinely refreshing their 600cc-class machines on a two or three year cycle. The 2008 recession caused havoc with the entire motorcycle industry. For most of the North American population, motorcycles represent discretionary spending and it's one of the first things that people shift away for when they need to be more conservative with their finances.

Naturally - many new bikes were already in development during this period and many landed in showrooms in 2010 and 2011. However, many have remained (largely) unchanged since that time. New bikes require immense R&D capital and R&D capital isn't made available unless the manufacturer can substantiate an ROIC that will exceed the input.

The Yamaha R6, Suzuki GSX-R600/750 and several other models have been caught in this period of stasis for the past number of years as the manufacturers have been unable to justify the capital necessary to overhaul the bike or are instead putting that money into other lines (the R3, R1, etc.) to satisfy other market demands.

The other major consideration is that traditional bike markets (North America and Western Europe) are being usurped in priority by developing markets like India, China and South Asia. 600cc bikes present an ASP that isn't ideal for these markets and thus the MFRs have been focused on lower displacement, lower ASP bikes that are more compatible with the market conditions in those countries (licensing restrictions, pricing, fuel economy, etc.).

The good news is that the economy is stabilizing in the United States and parts of Western Europe and bikes sales (globally) are rebounding strongly. Curiously though, the 600cc-class has remained stagnant and the industry growth in sales is coming from refreshed and new entry-level 300cc sportsbike/naked offerings and ultra high-end superbikes.

We have seen a surge in superbike development that has mirrored the explosive growth in this category (the new R1/R1M/R1S, Panigales, S1000RR, S1000R, etc.).

I guess the argument of course is always that sales are flat/soft in the 600cc-class because the offerings aren't exciting but the manufacturers won't invest in this class because they can't justifying the associated costs. In the meantime, the sub-600cc and superbike ranges continue to expand and grow.
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The 600cc and 750cc Suzuki are two of my favourite Japanese bikes and I watch news regarding these closely. Nothing but speculation exists as this point regarding new models.
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Curiously though, the 600cc-class has remained stagnant and the industry growth in sales is coming from refreshed and new entry-level 300cc sportsbike/naked offerings and ultra high-end superbikes.

We have seen a surge in superbike development that has mirrored the explosive growth in this category (the new R1/R1M/R1S, Panigales, S1000RR, S1000R, etc.).

I guess the argument of course is always that sales are flat/soft in the 600cc-class because the offerings aren't exciting but the manufacturers won't invest in this class because they can't justifying the associated costs. In the meantime, the sub-600cc and superbike ranges continue to expand and grow.
I think part of the problem is that people are given too many choices.

Back then, people just getting into motorcycles either bought used, or were forced to buy brand new 600cc's. As well, a lot of the >1000cc bikes were sorta widow makers. Lots of power, no electric safety nets and were heavy so they didn't handle that well. People were pulling close to similar lap times in an R6 vs an R1 at the track.

Now we have the <400cc bikes for the newbs/daily commuters and can hold their own in the corners for track guys as well as the >1000cc guys that have enough electronics that everyone is pulling Rossi/Marques type lap times.
600's are kinda like that in between, sort like what happened to the 750's when 99/2000 rolled around and the 600's became much lighter and much more powerful.
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I think that is a great analysis.

The lineups that these manufacturers are presenting are deeper (more fractured?) than they were in the past. The reality is that while bikes are selling it's not necessarily 600cc bikes that are generating those sales... it's the sporty naked bikes, the fantastic new 300cc - 400cc sportbikes, etc.

The industry might ultimately change in such a way that the 600cc-class might become relatively niche. If that happens ... we will see less and less development and innovation within this class.

No matter what - the industry is fascinating right now. It's much smaller than the automobile industry and thus much more agile and can change more quickly. Hopefully this thread will provide some insight as the market evolves.
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Honda CBR 2016 range shown



I like the colour of the 2016 CBR600RR ... reminds me of my 2007 ...
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I know a few of you were putting off buying a Kawasaki Ninja H2 until it was available in a different colour ... well now you can pull out yours wallets!!!


Ninja H2 available in a new colour for 2016

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Just wished the R3 had an option for ABS like the CBR 300R and Ninja 300. Yamaha hardly has ABS on any of its models it seems.
It will as of next model year. It is a requirement in Europe and will be mandatory on new production bikes next year. This is also one of the reasons that it is believed that Yamaha will release there new R6 next year.
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Another entry-level bike.... maybe? Vexxor .... you have your new GSX-R!!!

Will Suzuki unveil a GSX-R250 in Tokyo?

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This is good news. The Suzuki GW250 is not a bad bike, it's cheap ($3199) and looks reasonable but people may be turned off by the fact it's built in China? And it's 403 lb, very heavy for a 250. The full fairing version GW250F is pretty ugly though and even heavier at 416 lb.

Excited to see what the specs of the GSX-R 250 are. 25+ HP and under 325 lb would be good.
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Another entry-level bike.... maybe? Vexxor .... you have your new GSX-R!!!

Will Suzuki unveil a GSX-R250 in Tokyo?

Suzuki GSX-R250 rendering
AARRRGGHHHHH.... dammit Suzuki, give us a new 600/750 not another entry level bike.

That said, if the new 600/750 looks somewhat like that, I'm trading up....
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The Yamaha R6, Suzuki GSX-R600/750 and several other models have been caught in this period of stasis for the past number of years as the manufacturers have been unable to justify the capital necessary to overhaul the bike or are instead putting that money into other lines (the R3, R1, etc.) to satisfy other market demands.

been waiting for a new r6 since 2006 lol
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AARRRGGHHHHH.... dammit Suzuki, give us a new 600/750 not another entry level bike.

That said, if the new 600/750 looks somewhat like that, I'm trading up....
I think your gen looks better. Maybe just getting long in the tooth for you personally?
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I think your gen looks better. Maybe just getting long in the tooth for you personally?
Maybe... but honestly, I would like to have all of the latest upgrades in terms of frame development, electronics, engine development, etc...

It's probably been a decade now since the 2006-2015 (similar engines and frames for those generations) model range has been developed. It's time to move on and come out with something brand new like how Yamaha did with the R1 and Kawasaki with the H2.
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WOW!!!

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Electric BMW Superbike? Yes, please!

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Vexor!!! Talk to me about the new GSX-R1000... is this a true R1 competitor or a glossed-up revision of the previous model like the Kawasaki Ninja 1000?

New Suzuki GSX-R1000

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2016 Yamaha MT-10 Naked R1-based Superbike!!!!

hhttp://www.cycleworld.com/2015/11/17/2016-yamaha-mt-10-naked-r1-superbike-motorcycle-review-first-look-photos-eicma-2015-motorcycle-show/

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Hello - little Panigale 959......



US model will weight 11 lbs less because it won't have that restrictive, EU-spec exhaust...

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