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Parents may no longer be able to use physical force to discipline a child
TRC promise puts Liberals on track to repeal spanking laws
One of 94 'calls to action' was to ban use of corporal punishment by parents, teachers
By Kathleen Harris, CBC News Posted: Dec 22, 2015 7:09 PM ET Last Updated: Dec 22, 2015 7:09 PM ET
Commissioner Justice Murray Sinclair shakes hands with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau during the release of the final report of the Truth and Reconciliation commission, which includes a call to repeal the so-called 'spanking' law. (Adrian Wyld/Canadian Press)
Canada's spanking laws are set for an overhaul as part of the Liberal government's promise to adopt all of the recommendations stemming from the Truth and Reconciliation Commission.
One of the 94 "calls to action" after the six-year inquiry into widespread abuse at residential schools for indigenous children was to repeal section 43 of the Criminal Code, which allows parents and teachers to discipline children with "reasonable" force.
"At this point, we cannot speculate on potential legislative or policy approaches to address this issue. However the government is committed to implementing all of the 94 calls to action," said Christian Girouard, spokesman for Justice Minister Jody Wilson-Raybould.
The "spanking law" was upheld by the Supreme Court of Canada in 2004, but set guidelines outlining "reasonable limits" to the act. In that decision, the court ruled that reasonable corrective force can be used against children between the ages of two and 12 years old.
The TRC recommendation has revived a heated national debate on the issue.
"If we hit a child, we're hitting creation, and that's something that's just not on. That is something that is not a traditional teaching or a traditional practice," he said.
Moran said the commission likely foresaw the potential broader consequences for all Canadians.
"I would think they would have thought this would have implications and reverberations throughout society," he said. And I would think... that they were aware of the fact they were putting something out there that had a degree of controversy around it but probably felt this was a necessary and important change to reflect on and implement."
'Risk factor' with spanking
Kathy Lynn of Corinne's Quest, an organization campaigning to end physical punishment of children, told CBC News Network's Power and Politics that corporal punishment is a practice that is both outdated and unnecessary. She asked why, in 2015, we are still permitting the "legalized abuse" of children.
"It sends a message that in our country we believe children should be hurt. And most importantly, research shows that every time we hit a child there is a risk factor involved," she said.
But Diane Watt of REAL Women of Canada, which describes itself as a "pro-family conservative women's movement," insisted it's necessary to protect parents, teachers and children.
"We're talking about reasonable, moderate, corrective force to improve behaviour and prevent harm that children can cause to one; to put a child in a car seat or remove them from a harmful situation," she said.
Teachers spanking kids.....I don't know about any of you, but where I went to school, if you touched a kid you would have a 30+ student classroom beat down on that teacher.
As for parents spanking, I know my father did one time. I had stolen something when i was 7 or 8, i think it was some gum or something from a hardware store. I got spanked for that. Nothing crazy, i dont even remember it hurting, but I have not stolen a dam thing since then and I do not think ill of my father.
Biggest issue here is there is no one determining what is reasonable and justifiable. I do not think spanking is wrong in its idea, however there are to many people out there willing to beat the snot our of there kids simply for making a sound. Something has to change for sure, but whatever they do about a "law" you will not stop child abuse by saying spanking is not ok, just the same way banning guns will not stop shootings. Perhaps come down harder on those who get caught being abusive, stop with the pussy footing around when it comes to things like this Canada....fuk
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lol come on a little spanking doesn't hurt. When I was still in school in Hong Kong if I did something bad the teachers would slap my hand really hard with a wooden/metal ruler. When I told my mom, I got more spanking form my mom not with ruler but with those feather dusters that the end is made with bamboo. Got the shit beaten out of mine with marks too. But guess what? I learn to behave in class from now on.
One time I was watching TV at the neighbour and is time for dinner. Mom drag me back and I didn't want to. I went out and grab a garbage can and was trying to fight her. Oh that was a bad move. Got my shit beaten so bad that day. Even my grandparents were like I ask for it (even though they always told my mom not to hit me.). Guess what? I learn to listen to what my mom saids after.
Kids need some beating. Without it they aren't scare of anyone. Taking away their toys, games, and make them sit in their room isn't going to do shit. If the kid doesn't listen, he won't listen. A little beating does wonders. After I got my ass beat I remember not to do those things again. My sister but whip too. We turn out fine.
Was chatting with a co-worker and her daughter won't listen to her. Take away all the toys and games? She gets more piss, you can reason with them, they won't stop. Her daughter even throw a remote right at her 55inch TV and smash it.Reason for it? Calling her mom an asshole for not buying her an iPad coz all her friends had one so she got grounded. Just last night her daughter crawl into her bed at like 3am (i guess after the daughter went to pee) and wanted to sleep with mom and kick dad off. Mom won't let her and started fighting and the daughter won't leave. Co-worker ended up with no sleep at all. In case like this if I was the mom I would whip the daughters' ass so bad so won't do it again.
I would personally buy the teacher some beer for beating my kids at school if they weren't behaving.
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I personally feel that if these laws keep up, we going to have a new generation of lots of gays and trans-gender kids in society from our own blood and those who aren't fond of those things. We are being too 'soft' now, where anything goes! Having morals and religious beliefs has to stand for something, even God used violence in the bible to prove his point & keep things right, to get his will accomplished. In other religions if you don't believe in the bible, its the same thing too. Can't see how 'talking' to anybody gets anything accomplished, even countries as a whole and nation don't use 'talk' as a mean of accomplishing anything! Why don't we just "talk" to ISIS then perhaps this will all end? NOT!
I personally feel that if these laws keep up, we going to have a new generation of lots of gays and trans-gender kids in society from our own blood and those who aren't fond of those things. We are being too 'soft' now, where anything goes! Having morals and religious beliefs has to stand for something, even God used violence in the bible to prove his point and get his will accomplished. In other religions if you don't believe in the bible, its the same thing.
hchang, yes that is true, but something has to give to make it stop! Or else let it all go buckwild freebird. I don't really know personally as a parent what's right or wrong myself, even though I have morals and biblical religions handed down to me too. I'm now living in a confused world to say the least. I like that more people have freedom and accepted and not judged on their beliefs, gender, religion or race, etc. Why if your own child tomorrow says their gay or they wanna be transgender, how do you personally feel about that? Do you accept that as something you personally did wrong or is a way of your genes and family blood line cause to happen because of defects, or perhaps they superior to all of us, perhaps they as gay/trans-gender is a new way of life and can become bigger better things then we are right now. I don't really know what to think!!! Should people keep things in the closet, or should they just go all-out out of the closet, and be themselves what they feel inside, without caring about what others think, just to live their life out to be happy? If society can accept that, then I fear that other groups like NAMBLA in US, who are grown up men that want equal rights to love a child or boy, and catholic priests who do the same thing in a sick sense will have their way too. Its too much grey areas, that I have no say on or can justify or take sides on, except to sit back watch how society in a 10-20years from now going to play this whole thing out! Lots of new things have happened in the World that makes me think twice about my own judgement and beliefs, like Barack Obama becoming the president of USA, I never knew a black president could become commander and chief of one of the most powerful countries of the world. Then women leaders of other countries too. In our own Asian Cultures, I hope walls will break down and things will happen too, like I'm still waiting for a lady leader of china for example, or a muslim leader of UK, or even lets say a transgender leader of Germany or something like that, i think this will all happen in the near future, and affect us all!
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When I was a kid i remember getting wooden spoon/belt/open hand when i did something stupid. My best friend who got timeouts when I was a kid ended up stealing cars, getting hooked to coke and getting kicked out of school by the 8th grade. We had our differences but I believe if it wasn't for my parents being strict I probably would have followed his path.
And the generation of pussification has begun. I believe in spanking - not 'beating' as some describe here. I have spanked my children, too. Each time, I gave them a choice to correct behaviour or face a spanking. After about 5 different occasions of spanking , the behaviour never happened again (it usually involved hitting someone else, or each other). Overall, it can be a useful and successful learning tool
I think most would agree that "spanking" is beneficial; "beatings" aren't.
There's no real dictionary term for either, so it's very subjective. It's the parents that can't control their emotions and mercilessly beat their kids and traumatize them that are the issue.
*edit: just thought I'd add: I'm asian, and my parents beat me with various household objects (they sure as hell weren't spankings.) I remember coming home from school on day in grade 5 or so and both my parents were waiting there for me with some stick because they said "I'd been acting out of line lately" - 15 odd years later I still don't fucking know the actual reason; Was I traumatized in the long-run? Probably not, but I still as hell still remember it, and they were definitely not in control of themselves at that time.