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Old 05-12-2016, 07:57 AM   #101
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once self driving cars becomes the norm we won't have to have this discussion anymore.
hopefully it's within our lifetimes.
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The argument started when I called it a fucking cash grab followed by dimwits who thought the increased fine on distracted driving is justified and somehow will make life better. The dumbfucks seemed to have taken one of the following positions:

1. I don't use cellphone anyway so it won't affect me.
2. This new increased fines will rid of my problems dealing with distracted drivers.
3. It's a law so you better obey it or pay the price.

None of them have considered what the fuck it really means to be "distracted" and they think it just revolves around electronic devices. Once the numbskulls agree with and support any policy that prevents "distracted" driving, govt will have much easier time expanding their definitions.

God forbid any of you press any fucking buttons in your car while driving. Don't even bother talking to passengers, let alone even facing them. Keep your fking eyes straight and don't enjoy any scenery. Music? Audiobooks? Fuck no. Wanna complain? Don't because our study shows any form of distraction could potentially lead to higher rate of accidents. You can't find the study? No need to because general public doesn't give a shit and who wouldn't support a law that saves lives?

Some fucks support this increased penalty and talk like some saint who's never done anything that constitutes as a form distraction. Start crying once govt decides to reach into your pocket for fiddling with your car's infotainment system at a stop light, with underqualifed cops making the judgment.
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As much as driving should be a privilege, ultimately, driving is a right.
Reason I say this is because people will revolt if it's too hard to obtain a license. And 75% of the people on the road today will fail those types of designated closed track tests. Once majority's not able to drive, they will complain and complain and eventually ICBC will get overthrown until driving becomes a right.

The system is broken and it's pretty tough to grandfather a new system in.

It's like trying to take guns away from Americans.
Sorry is still a privilege. You can still live and go on your daily lives without driving. Lot's of people don't drive/can't drive. If it is a right then everyone should be able to drive and that means driving liscense should be handed out to you for free and everyone who lives in Canada can apply one without any test.

If you care for your privilege of driving then you will obey the law (somewhat) and not get your liscense suspended.
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once self driving cars becomes the norm we won't have to have this discussion anymore.
hopefully it's within our lifetimes.
It will happen in the next 5 years or less.
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Meh..honestly it had to happen I don't care if it's
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I have to agree with you here.
While I still think it's draconian to fine someone $500 for looking at their phone at the stoplight, it's a necessary step to keep the roads safer.

Don't get me wrong, I still like to think that the roads are mine (so get the hell out of my way!). But there are a lot of folks on the roads these days. Add in a couple of aggressive or distracted drivers to the pack, and bad things are bound to happen. I wish I would have posted my dashcam video of me driving in Richmond a couple of weekends ago. Three near misses in the span of 5 minutes, and I'm driving a big grey truck! It was people who weren't looking, or were screwing around on their phones.

Most drivers on the roads are good and know how things work. This law isn't for those people. It's for the stupid teenage N driver chick who almost swerved into my lane yesterday. Civic vs Tundra in a head on? I think I know who's going to get hurt in that scenario. So if these crazy fines mean keeping her safe so her parents don't have to bury their daughter, then I'm all for it.
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Meh..honestly it had to happen I don't care if it's a cash grab or not, the only way to hit idiots is in the wallet.

Literally -everyone- is on their fucking phones these days, I know I occasionally check it at lights etc but I've gone out of my way not to touch it while driving now. It is scary though how many people I see just cruising along with their face down in their phone. Somthing obviously had to be done
Again, raising the speed limit "might" be the answer.
Look at Germany, higher speed limit, but people focus on the road more.

If everyone is going 180+km/h(just as an example) on the highway, how many people do you think will be looking down checking their Facebook/Instagram?
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I have to agree with you here.
While I still think it's draconian to fine someone $500 for looking at their phone at the stoplight, it's a necessary step to keep the roads safer.

Don't get me wrong, I still like to think that the roads are mine (so get the hell out of my way!). But there are a lot of folks on the roads these days. Add in a couple of aggressive or distracted drivers to the pack, and bad things are bound to happen. I wish I would have posted my dashcam video of me driving in Richmond a couple of weekends ago. Three near misses in the span of 5 minutes, and I'm driving a big grey truck! It was people who weren't looking, or were screwing around on their phones.

Most drivers on the roads are good and know how things work. This law isn't for those people. It's for the stupid teenage N driver chick who almost swerved into my lane yesterday. Civic vs Tundra in a head on? I think I know who's going to get hurt in that scenario. So if these crazy fines mean keeping her safe so her parents don't have to bury their daughter, then I'm all for it.
Don't automatically blame on teenagers.
a 32 year old adult can be posting facebook status a second before crash.
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Again, raising the speed limit "might" be the answer.
Look at Germany, higher speed limit, but people focus on the road more.

If everyone is going 180+km/h(just as an example) on the highway, how many people do you think will be looking down checking their Facebook/Instagram?
Guarantee if the speed limit was 150 on HWY 90% of the people would still be on their phone.

People don't understand how to drive here. They are cruising in the left lane going 90km looking at their phone. The culture nor the infrastructure is here to support those speeds
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a 32 year old adult can be posting facebook status a second before crash.
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I'm not blaming teenagers, but they make up the bulk of driving deaths every year.
Not to mention, I did actually have an encounter with that girl yesterday, so personal experience and all. Combine with the fact that I have a teen, and when I was 17 I almost died in an auto accident. I've always loved cars, and surrounded myself with car people. But at my age, I've also seen the tragic side of cars and how bad things can turn out when you're not focussed on the road. My back is still screwed up from when I broke it at 17.

Injuries from car wrecks are the gift that keeps on giving. Like some shitty book of the month club.

But the story you posted really sucks.
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It will happen in the next 5 years or less.
can't say i share your optimism.. i just can't see that type of tech being affordable or worked out properly in such a short time. i know there have a lot of successful tests but there's some complications that you just know are going to delay the rollout of these types of cars. insurance/liabilities, thoroughly tested real world saftey, new/changes in laws, etc... i'd be pretty happy to even see them for sale in the next 10 years. once they go for sale though, it's a sure thing that they're gonna sell like crazy.
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can't say i share your optimism.. i just can't see that type of tech being affordable or worked out properly in such a short time. i know There have a lot of successful tests but there's some complications that you just know are going to delay the rollout of these types of cars. insurance/liabilities, thoroughly tested real world saftey, new/changes in laws, etc... i'd be pretty happy to even see them for sale in the next 10 years. once they go for sale though, it's a sure thing that they're gonna sell like crazy.
It might not be affordable like available in a $30000 car but it will be here. Mercedes say they will have a car out by 2020 and Lyft will be testing self driving cars by next year. Lyft is an Uber competitor and has a 500 million dollar investment from GM.
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i'd rather buy a nissan micra cheap POS self driving car for 30k than a much nicer 30k decked out mazda 3. hopefully the tech makes its way down past the luxury car market and into the average consumer market soon. took a while for hybrid cars to do it, but now you can buy a nissan leaf for.......................fuck....just researched it.............32k (starting)

edit: who the hell would pay 40k after tax for a nissan leaf??
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The argument started when I called it a fucking cash grab followed by dimwits who thought the increased fine on distracted driving is justified and somehow will make life better. The dumbfucks seemed to have taken one of the following positions:

1. I don't use cellphone anyway so it won't affect me.
2. This new increased fines will rid of my problems dealing with distracted drivers.
3. It's a law so you better obey it or pay the price.

None of them have considered what the fuck it really means to be "distracted" and they think it just revolves around electronic devices. Once the numbskulls agree with and support any policy that prevents "distracted" driving, govt will have much easier time expanding their definitions.

God forbid any of you press any fucking buttons in your car while driving. Don't even bother talking to passengers, let alone even facing them. Keep your fking eyes straight and don't enjoy any scenery. Music? Audiobooks? Fuck no. Wanna complain? Don't because our study shows any form of distraction could potentially lead to higher rate of accidents. You can't find the study? No need to because general public doesn't give a shit and who wouldn't support a law that saves lives?

Some fucks support this increased penalty and talk like some saint who's never done anything that constitutes as a form distraction. Start crying once govt decides to reach into your pocket for fiddling with your car's infotainment system at a stop light, with underqualifed cops making the judgment.

Slippery slope fallacy...


There's a big difference between idiots with their heads down on their phones vs. pushing buttons on the stereo or turning your head to enjoy the scenery...
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While I still think it's draconian to fine someone $500 for looking at their phone at the stoplight, it's a necessary step to keep the roads safer.
That's right, instead of cops driving around to hit drivers on the phone while moving, pitch a tent under skytrain shade in hot summer and ticket those glancing at their phone while standing still at red light. Only idiots use their phones at red light. Smart ppl use their phone while moving and put it away as they approach red light.
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Only idiots use their phones at red light. Smart ppl use their phone while moving and put it away as they approach red light.
Yes of course, why don't we ask the people who have died from using their phone while moving, compared to those who were stopped at a red light. Then explain to me who the "smart" ones are.
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Yes of course, why don't we ask the people who have died from using their phone while moving, compared to those who were stopped at a red light. Then explain to me who the "smart" ones are.
did I fail at sarcasm?
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Slippery slope fallacy...


There's a big difference between idiots with their heads down on their phones vs. pushing buttons on the stereo or turning your head to enjoy the scenery...
Don't tell me you think govt doesn't love slippery slope. However you spin it, it is a form of distracted driving. You seriously think taking eyes off the road and reaching out to press a button is safer than holding a phone?

You are aware that cops has the ability, and you can fucking bet the willingness, to issue you a ticket for just holding your phone right? There's absolutely nothing to stop them from expanding the definitions of distracted driving.
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i'd rather buy a nissan micra cheap POS self driving car for 30k than a much nicer 30k decked out mazda 3. hopefully the tech makes its way down past the luxury car market and into the average consumer market soon. took a while for hybrid cars to do it, but now you can buy a nissan leaf for.......................fuck....just researched it.............32k (starting)

edit: who the hell would pay 40k after tax for a nissan leaf??
I was asking my friend the same thing after he traded in his Jetta for one a few years ago.

Basically, it boiled down to:
1) He gets free parking at work with an electric vehicle as opposed to the $300/month I think he said he paid with the Jetta.
2) He gets free charging at work, which is enough to cover his daily commute both ways, as opposed to paying for diesel with the Jetta.

He figured it would save him around $400/month. Of course, that's a lot of months to make up the difference in purchase price.
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So using GPS and talking to a passenger is illegal?
Inputting a new destination while driving, yes. Using an active screen to reference where you're traveling, no.
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can't say i share your optimism.. i just can't see that type of tech being affordable or worked out properly in such a short time. i know there have a lot of successful tests but there's some complications that you just know are going to delay the rollout of these types of cars. insurance/liabilities, thoroughly tested real world saftey, new/changes in laws, etc... i'd be pretty happy to even see them for sale in the next 10 years. once they go for sale though, it's a sure thing that they're gonna sell like crazy.
Instead of owning one, it'll probably be more mainstream as a service vehicle like a taxi or car2go. You use your phone to locate one, have them ping your gps on your phone, car drives to you and picks you up, enter coordinates on the app for delivery, or voice recongnition for destination.
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