REVscene - Vancouver Automotive Forum

Welcome to the REVscene Automotive Forum forums.

Registration is Free!You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today! The banners on the left side and below do not show for registered users!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.

Go Back   REVscene Automotive Forum > Automotive Chat > Vancouver Off-Topic / Current Events

Vancouver Off-Topic / Current Events The off-topic forum for Vancouver, funnies, non-auto centered discussions, WORK SAFE. While the rules are more relaxed here, there are still rules. Please refer to sticky thread in this forum.

Thread Tools
Old 06-22-2016, 10:04 AM   #1
BeefCake4000's Avatar
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: B.C.
Posts: 5,626
Thanked 358 Times in 111 Posts
Fentanyl: The Drug Deadlier than Heroin

Originally posted by Ulic Qel-Droma
ill have to agree. .. kinda. sometimes i get a hardon over her, but then i'm like *no i shouldnt.. this is wrong, she's not up to my standards*. but i guess my dick has it's own set of rules.

Last edited by BeefCake4000; 07-22-2016 at 12:15 PM.
BeefCake4000 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-2016, 10:12 AM   #2
Zombie Mod
Presto's Avatar
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Langley
Posts: 8,903
Thanked 4,081 Times in 1,152 Posts
Why Fentanyl Is So Much More Deadly Than Heroin

When prescription opioids started getting too difficult or too expensive to procure, people addicted to them started turning to heroin–a shift that’s created an “epidemic” of heroin use in whole new groups of people. Now, a new opioid is rising in use and overdose: Fentanyl, a synthetic opioid, is 50-100 times more potent than morphine, according to a recent statement on fentanyl by the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), and 25-50 times more potent than heroin. And its presence seems to be rising sharply, which means that, given its potency, deaths from the drug are also rising.

In 2014, 18,000 people died of opioids, and another 8,000 from heroin. It’s not clear how many people are dying from fentanyl overdoses each day now, but the numbers are climbing sharply in pockets across the U.S. and Canada. Fentanyl is often, without the buyer’s knowledge, mixed with heroin or cocaine, because it’s cheaper than either of them, and much stronger. Here’s what we know about why fentanyl is so powerful, in the body and as a new presence in society.

What does fentanyl do in the brain?

There’s no difference in the way in which fentanyl works on the brain from any of the other opioids–it crosses the blood-brain barrier, just like they all do, and binds with the brain’s μ-opioid receptors. From here, it creates analgesia and euphoria.

“What makes it more or less euphoric than other opioids is how quickly it binds” says Lewis Nelson, MD, medical toxicologist and emergency physician at NYU’s School of Medicine. “If I give you morphine intravenously, it circulates in the blood, then it crosses blood-brain barrier and binds the opioid receptors. But it takes a little while. Heroin crosses much more rapidly–so it’s really euphoric. And fentanyl is very rapid, and therefore very euphoric.”

And fentanyl’s potency is much greater than the other opioids’–that is, it takes much, much less of the drug to have the same effect. So it’s also lethal at much lower doses than even heroin. Micrograms of fentanyl are effective, rather than milligrams of the other opioids:

This difference in fentanyl’s potency is critical–it takes very little to have the same effect as other opioids. The reason so many are dying is because the dose is relatively uncontrolled with street fentanyl, and small excesses can lead to overdose. There’s nothing inherently more dangerous about fentanyl than other opioids except the way it is dosed and sold. This should not suggest that the other opioids are not dangerous; they all are.

The physical effects

Aside from producing an intense high quickly, Fentanyl also produces a number of other effects–nausea, vomiting, analgesia, sedation and respiratory depression among them, according to And like other opioids, it causes death via respiratory arrest (one’s breathing slows to a stop), rather than cardiac arrest.

“The only thing killing you is respiratory depression,” says Nelson. “If I took a few times the therapeutic dose of an opioid, my breathing would slow, and I might die in several hours–it’s a slow spiral toward death. If you took 10 times the dose, you’d likely die, and if you took 100 times, you’d die immediately.” Fentanyl is just a more rapid version of the same kind of death, from respiratory depression.

Where it comes from and where it’s going

Fentanyl was once largely extracted from pharmaceuticals–the fentanyl patch, for instance, used to have a reservoir of the drug that was plainly visible, so one could simply suck the liquid out with a syringe. But now the patches have the drug embedded in a mesh, so are more difficult to extract. So fentanyl for street sale often seems to be made in China and imported to the U.S. through Mexico. And because it’s synthesized, rather than plant-derived, it’s worth the effort.

“From the dealer’s perspective, heroin is still hard to make,” says Nelson. “You have to grow it, extract it, convert it, transport into the country. Fentanyl is so much easier. And because it’s 50x more potent than heroin, the volumes are much easier to transport–you can put it in a car instead of truck, or a plane instead of a boat.”

And use of the drug, and of course overdoses, are rising in pockets around the country. Northern California just reported a spike in fentanyl-related deaths–and 48 overdoses and 12 deaths since late March 2016 alone. In Philadelphia, there was a 300% rise in fentanyl deaths from 2013 to 2014. Young people are trying the drug, just like with heroin, but so are middle-aged people, either wittingly or unwittingly. The problem is that not everyone is going out to buy it intentionally–many are in the market for something else, but getting the drug cut with fentanyl. Or worse, only fentanyl.

“In Sacramento, it’s not fentanyl being sold as heroin even, but it’s being pressed into pill and sold as Norco [a combination of hydrocodone and acetaminophen],” says Nelson. “If counterfeit pills are out there, it is a real problem given the large number of people who ingest rather than inject opioids.” Again, in some of these cases, there’s only fentanyl present, and none of the drug that’s being marketed.

Long-term use of fentanyl is probably somewhat rarer than heroin or other opioids, just by virtue of the fact that it’s so potent that the margin of error is quite small. “A milligram of a drug is a the size of a pinhead. A microgram is thousand times less than that,” says Nelson. “Fentanyl is always mixed into something else. So you’re putting a lot of trust in your dealer. If you make a batch with just a little more, then you see overdose increases in spots in city.” So there are a lot of ways in which the use of fentanyl can go wrong.

Fentanyl will likely grow much more widespread before it peters out. And the fix probably lies not on the street or drug labs, but in exam rooms in doctor’s offices. Changing our prescribing practices would prevent many more addictions than any other avenue, says Nelson. “We are turning out opioid addicts pretty quickly in this country. De novo use is always going to be around–kids are curious and they try something–and the DEA can’t really do anything about that. It’s a Sisyphean task. But stopping the other addicts that form–those who get addicted through prescribing practices–happens by improving the way we practice medicine.”

It would take a lot of people working together to shift how we use opioids in this country. It’s possible, but it won’t happen overnight. “Constituencies on both sides are lining up. But it’s hard, because there are so many players,” says Nelson. “Doctors are involved, patient advocacy groups are involved. Pharma is involved, the government is involved. The problem is incredibly complicated.”
Romans 10:9
Presto is offline  
Reply With Quote
This post thanked by:
Old 06-22-2016, 12:38 PM   #3
Cant Stop Modding Fat Cars w/ Cheap Pasts!
StylinRed's Avatar
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: CELICAland
Posts: 22,748
Thanked 9,039 Times in 3,225 Posts
there's an even deadlier one that has been found in labs here, W-18, which is used to make fake fentanyl/heroin

W-18 is a novel psychoactive substance that comes in powder form, and likely derives from Chinese labs where little-known drugs and analogues of known drugs are mass-produced and sold online. It is 10,000 times more powerful than morphine and 100 times more powerful than fentanyl, greatly increasing the likelihood of overdose and death.
StylinRed is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-27-2016, 05:40 PM   #4
Banned (ABWS)
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 15
Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts
haha I got offered it by my close friend. shit is killer
elite_baller46 is offline  
Reply With Quote
This post thanked by:
This post FAILED by:
Old 06-27-2016, 05:58 PM   #5
God of Unce
Armind's Avatar
Join Date: May 2008
Location: ASOT
Posts: 7,172
Thanked 167 Times in 43 Posts
Armind is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2016, 09:05 AM   #6
Everyone wants a piece of R S...
swiftshift's Avatar
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Richmond
Posts: 391
Thanked 63 Times in 43 Posts
Originally Posted by Armind View Post
swiftshift is offline  
Reply With Quote

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off

All times are GMT -8. The time now is 04:09 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO ©2011, Crawlability, Inc. cannot be held accountable for the actions of its members nor does the opinions of the members represent that of