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Old 10-11-2016, 10:43 AM   #26
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I like paying taxes. In Canada we enjoy a level of social standard that's envied by many around the globe. Even living in Richmond my whole life... Sure taxes can be expensive, but around this city I see where our dollars go. New parks, green spaces, playgrounds, Xmas lights on trees, beautiful flower gardens on the medians etc.

What I don't like paying towards is your lazy ass trying to suck off the teet of our social system. The OP wouldn't be stealing from the government, he would be stealing from me (us). E.I is a great program. It's a system put in place to provide a helping hand for those in a tough situation get a leg back up on their life. And that is something I am willing to pay for.

I've had friends that earned good money in the manufacturing industry get laid off due to cutbacks. They go on EI, still pull in an equivalent of $25/h and stay on it for multiple years. Even my best friend, she did similar for years. Definitely lost a lot of respect for that person...

I'm not as old as. MG1, but I've been working since I was 16 and have yet to get a penny back for all that EI... I also have had 10 years of no accidents from icbc. Where's my $30,000 cheque back for all those years if insurance???

I'd like to know how they stayed on EI for multiple years, doesn't it run out after 9 or 10 months? You'd have to go back to work, put in the appropriate amount of hours, and then get laid off again.
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It's years ago now so it's testing my memory, but I believe if you have proof that you are actively looking for a job (applications, interviews etc) it can be extended.

I remember with the bff I would ask her how the job search is going. "It was a hectic day. Handed out about 30 applications and resumes".

Of course I later find out she emailed a few places, and went back to playing video games (this was before emailing a resume was the preferred method)
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The people I find most likely to abuse EI are the younger people still living at their parents. They don't need the money so it's easy to just sit back and let the cheques roll in and worry about finding a new job when it runs out. People with a family and bills to pay will be out looking for a job because EI definitely doesn't pay your full wage.
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It's years ago now so it's testing my memory, but I believe if you have proof that you are actively looking for a job (applications, interviews etc) it can be extended.

I remember with the bff I would ask her how the job search is going. "It was a hectic day. Handed out about 30 applications and resumes".

Of course I later find out she emailed a few places, and went back to playing video games (this was before emailing a resume was the preferred method)
I was on EI for a few months about 4 1/2 years ago and you had to meet with your assigned person and prove you were actively applying for jobs. They would spot call people/companies you applied/interviewed with and also checked your email logs etc.

Definitely less lax than it used to be.
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imo if you're a hard worker and end up getting laid off with a buffer of savings in the bank, i dont see a problem with using the EI money to fund a temporary vacation away from work.

fuck paying into the shit and never using it, if you need to use it as help between quickly finding a job, go for it.

but if you want some extended time off, as someone who works hard and has saved some dough, i'd rather see someone use it to take time off and recharge than the scam artists and "seasonal workers" who abuse the system to no end.

to this day i still know a bunch of people who parents bought them houses from illicit fund, and these people have never worked a day in their lives. They have "acquaintances" and "family" who have seasonal type businesses (at least on paper) and they continually hire these people, lay them off, and rehire, literally year after year. And i 100% know this is a chronic problem amongst these groups, because NO ONE WORKS! lol.. like literally, growing up i knew 20+ people just in my inner circle who had these arrangements.

So i wouldnt get so uptight about 1 guy looking for an EI kickback.. the system is broken
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People with money will call people who abuse EI scum who steal their tax dollars, and then go ahead and find some tax loophole that saves them thousands and be told they are geniuses for it.
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I don't understand why EI exists in Vancouver. Anyone can literally get a job in labor/food/hospitality for minimum wage. Why should I be paying for people to help them find the "right" job for them?
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I don't understand why EI exists in Vancouver. Anyone can literally get a job in labor/food/hospitality for minimum wage. Why should I be paying for people to help them find the "right" job for them?
So someone who had a good high paying job that they went to school for should be forced to work at McDonalds for fuck all in between jobs?
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So someone who had a good high paying job that they went to school for should be forced to work at McDonalds for fuck all in between jobs?
yes. many people with degrees are "forced" to work at mcdonalds.
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yes. many people with degrees are "forced" to work at mcdonalds.
I'm assuming you work in an industry that's pretty immune to layoffs then. We all pay EI premiums get over yourself thinking the money you put in is any more valuable than everyone else.
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I'm assuming you work in an industry that's pretty immune to layoffs then. We all pay EI premiums get over yourself thinking the money you put in is any more valuable than everyone else.
No industry is immune. I pay EI to max cap each year. Its around 2% of 50k cap. The EI payout is about 50% of that 50k cap which comes out to around minimum wage full time. If you're abled body, why not work. god forbid people demote themselves to a lowly job.

I don't know if there is a clause in EI requirement where you can only look for work that matches your "level of education, and previous job". Might as well get all the minimum workers only look for office jobs so they can continue to milk EI while meeting the "looking for job" requirement. You can also work while getting EI.
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I have a chronic illness and, back in 2003, I became too sick to continue working my job. I had notes from my GP and my specialists stating that I was unable to continue my work activities. I talked to my employer about continuing to work in a different capacity that would be easier on my body, but they declined. I asked if I could be placed on sick leave, they declined. I asked if they could lay me off so I could collect EI, they declined. They told me I could either continue to work my job or quit, so I was forced to quit.

EI declined to cover me because I quit, even though it was for medical reasons. Disability wouldn't cover me because they didn't recognize my disease as a disability (they do now from what I hear). Welfare wouldn't cover me because my girlfriend, who I was living with, made too much money working part-time at Subway.

I ended up being income-less for 2.5 years while waiting for surgery (9 months) and then rehabilitating from surgery (along with several complications such as abcesses, which required further hospitalizations).

IMO, I should have had access to EI or some form of government support.
Sorry that happened to you, totally not right IMO. At my work we've had multiple people go off on Medical EI because of stress in the last 3 years, one guy has even done it twice. As far as I know they never had a problem collecting EI well waiting for their long term disability to kick in, maybe because the employer was more supportive?
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FYI for the lazy EI abusers, you cant leave the country if you're on EI so dont plan that trip to southeast asia to "find yourself"
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No industry is immune. I pay EI to max cap each year. Its around 2% of 50k cap. The EI payout is about 50% of that 50k cap which comes out to around minimum wage full time. If you're abled body, why not work. god forbid people demote themselves to a lowly job.

I don't know if there is a clause in EI requirement where you can only look for work that matches your "level of education, and previous job". Might as well get all the minimum workers only look for office jobs so they can continue to milk EI while meeting the "looking for job" requirement. You can also work while getting EI.
Yeah I also pay the max cap each year. I'm just assuming you've never had to use it so you feel it's unnecessary. Being on EI isn't fun, it's usually followed by a stressful time in your life where you're looking for work to pay the bills. If you make decent money EI is basically covering the bare minimum while you find a new job. I'm sure anyone who's had to use it would gladly trade places with someone who's never had to.

So your solution is that it'll be easier for someone to find a new job while they are picking up extra shifts pumping gas instead of out applying for something that will actually pay the bills? We all hear the stories of the lazy people who have been on EI for years and suddenly everyone is typecasted as a leech.
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No industry is immune. I pay EI to max cap each year. Its around 2% of 50k cap. The EI payout is about 50% of that 50k cap which comes out to around minimum wage full time. If you're abled body, why not work. god forbid people demote themselves to a lowly job.

I don't know if there is a clause in EI requirement where you can only look for work that matches your "level of education, and previous job". Might as well get all the minimum workers only look for office jobs so they can continue to milk EI while meeting the "looking for job" requirement. You can also work while getting EI.
You make it sound so easy to get a McJob if you are a professional.

Who is going to hire someone with say, a comp sci degree and 10 yrs experience, for a gas station attendant or a burger flipper? When they look at their resume and see nothing but a ton of Software Developer experience. Manager's probably thinking - "The guy's going to be out the door the second he gets a job in his field again". If I was the gas station/fast food hiring manager, I wouldn't make sense for me to waste my time and money training someone who probably won't stay.

And how are you able to work while getting EI? Unless it's some kind of under-the-table job, in which case you are still gaming the system.
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It's been about 10 years since I was on EI, and back then I still worked the odd shift because I was laid off but still on call when they needed me. I'm not sure if it's changed since then but back then you could work one day a week with your employer and not get dinged on your EI cheque. If you got called in more than that (and you had to go in if they called) they took what you made off your EI cheque. If you got called in a few days a week but not 40 hours it was possible to end up not making really much more than if they never called you in at all and you just collected EI. The lazy people hated this.
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FYI for the lazy EI abusers, you cant leave the country if you're on EI so dont plan that trip to southeast asia to "find yourself"
i think you can actually, you just won't be paid for the time you spent away.
when you return your EI payments continue.
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I have a chronic illness and, back in 2003, I became too sick to continue working my job. I had notes from my GP and my specialists stating that I was unable to continue my work activities. I talked to my employer about continuing to work in a different capacity that would be easier on my body, but they declined. I asked if I could be placed on sick leave, they declined. I asked if they could lay me off so I could collect EI, they declined. They told me I could either continue to work my job or quit, so I was forced to quit.

EI declined to cover me because I quit, even though it was for medical reasons. Disability wouldn't cover me because they didn't recognize my disease as a disability (they do now from what I hear). Welfare wouldn't cover me because my girlfriend, who I was living with, made too much money working part-time at Subway.

I ended up being income-less for 2.5 years while waiting for surgery (9 months) and then rehabilitating from surgery (along with several complications such as abcesses, which required further hospitalizations).

IMO, I should have had access to EI or some form of government support.
As you state in your post, this situation has since been corrected. There are a number of different EI options now, sickness is one of them. There is also EI for compassionate care, where they will support you if you need to take time off to deal with a loved one. This is an area which has been much improved the last decade.



Also people need to keep in mind, EI does not last forever. There is a maximum of 45 weeks. You cannot stay on it indefinitely. The exact number of weeks depends on the level of Unemployment in your region and how long you had worked before going on EI.

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Now with that said, EI doesn't just give you money every month and tell you to fuck off. They have a number of other services where they help you find a job, and failing that after a number of weeks they will start providing option on further education and training to try and get you into a different role or field where you might find more success in finding a job.

The trouble I see is that most people in here seem to have the reasoning that when they decide they are tired of working full time they can just go on EI and take a vacation and come back to work when they feel like it. Well that's kinda not how the system is designed to work. We can't all just take 6 months off a year and go on EI, otherwise the system would fall apart.
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Couldn't you have continued showing up for work and barely do anything or refuse to because of your condition? Or even not showing up in some days. I'd imagine that'd get you fired making you eligible to collect EI. It's not like you were trying to be a dick. You just sincerely couldn't perform the duties.
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Couldn't you have continued showing up for work and barely do anything or refuse to because of your condition? Or even not showing up in some days. I'd imagine that'd get you fired making you eligible to collect EI. It's not like you were trying to be a dick. You just sincerely couldn't perform the duties.
Depends on how the company handles it.

You can fire someone with just cause, and they wouldn't be eligible for EI. For example people who steal from their employers and get fired. These people are not eligible for EI.

In your example of just coming in and doing a shitty job, the employer has to do a little work, and write you up and give a couple verbal warnings, and then if they feel you havn't improved performance wise you can be fired and not eligible for EI.

The other side of this, is a company doesn't want to go through the hassle of the paperwork and shit related to the warnings, so they just lay the person off.

The second part of that happens very often, unfortunately it can come back to bite some companies, and I have actually witnessed one company fuck this up pretty badly.

What happens is they Lay one employee off, but at the same time they hire another to do the same job. This is actually not allowed in BC and can get you in hot water. You leave your company open to all sorts of legal issues if you do this. If you are getting rid of an employee because their performance is not good, and hiring someone else, you cannot lay off the employee they have to be fired. This situation is even more critical in Union or labor association type environments where the union will destroy an employer if they find out about this.
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i fired a guy because he was slacking and playing with his phone too much during work.
we have policy where you can't be on your phone during work, unless its on your break.
"just cause" includes breaking company rules and policies, so we didn't give him EI or severance.
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I like paying taxes. In Canada we enjoy a level of social standard that's envied by many around the globe. Even living in Richmond my whole life... Sure taxes can be expensive, but around this city I see where our dollars go. New parks, green spaces, playgrounds, Xmas lights on trees, beautiful flower gardens on the medians etc.
In Vancouver, the taxes go towards.............................. bike lanes! Gulolol.
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EI is retarted. a homeless guy with a crack addiction and no job since last year can get 40k a year

meanwhile a fulltime student that just got laid off, living in poco is not eligible.

those retards have no clue what they are doing.
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^he just wants to work for McD's when they bring back the McPizza.


Sorry, just had to bring that up again.........................
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