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09-24-2009, 12:52 PM
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Captain Happy Bubble is my Homeboy
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FWD performance = non existent?
So i have a Mazda3, second one so far, went from 2.0L 4sp Auto to 2.3L 5sp Manual, done some bolt ons to it, mostly exterior and suspension, cant say its quick or anything, but it sure drives nice, being a FWD it still doesnt feel bad..
i know you guys think FWD = fail
but lets get over that.
Today i was talking to a friend of mine, and he basically said FWD = performance only happen on Honda cars (integra, Civics was his example)
my question is..
What makes Honda FWDs better than other FWDs?
What makes them better than some other FWDs in the market?
cars in question are for example:
Mazda3s, Lancers, Eclipses, Sentras, GTIs, etc..
talking about power/weight ratio.. hp/torque ratio.. etc..
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09-24-2009, 01:02 PM
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Your friend is a noob. While Honda does have several examples of fine FWD engineering, a lot of other manufacturers do as well. Take for example, the Mazdaspeed 3. Powerful, handles great, practical and..... driven by the front wheels. GTI is another good one.
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09-24-2009, 01:07 PM
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your friend must be an ignorant honda fanboi
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09-24-2009, 01:08 PM
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Your friend gets assfucked by his vtec engine, thats why he said it
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09-24-2009, 01:12 PM
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Captain Happy Bubble is my Homeboy
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lol see? i dont agree with him, as i drive a mazda3, spend quite some money on it, and i have to listen to him blah blah all day about how Hondas are the only FWD cars that should be done up, love the speed3.. but wish sedan version was availiable..
also i realize hondas arent that good on the hp/torque ratio.. does that mean they are slower accelerating from a dead stop?
cause i seem to recall my other friends talking about how one of them's CSX type S couldnt get in front of the other guy's Mazda3 off the line..
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09-24-2009, 01:15 PM
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lol
also i realize hondas arent that good on the hp/torque ratio.. does that mean they are slower accelerating from a dead stop?
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no, just means that it takes that much more money to make it go faster...lol
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09-24-2009, 01:18 PM
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lol see? i dont agree with him, as i drive a mazda3, spend quite some money on it, and i have to listen to him blah blah all day about how Hondas are the only FWD cars that should be done up, love the speed3.. but wish sedan version was availiable..
also i realize hondas arent that good on the hp/torque ratio.. does that mean they are slower accelerating from a dead stop?
cause i seem to recall my other friends talking about how one of them's CSX type S couldnt get in front of the other guy's Mazda3 off the line..
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If my memory serves me right the speed3 has 4 doors?
But yeah hondas lack torque for sure.
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09-24-2009, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ToyotaPowah
Your friend is a noob. While Honda does have several examples of fine FWD engineering, a lot of other manufacturers do as well. Take for example, the Mazdaspeed 3. Powerful, handles great, practical and..... driven by the front wheels. GTI is another good one.
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i thought Mazda 3 handles the best in it class
the suspensoin is pretty firm yet the ride isnt harsh at all
by the way, all 4 banger lacks of torque.
U dont hear ppl bitching holly fuck my V6/V8/V12 has no torque god damn!
Last edited by Mugen EvOlutioN; 09-24-2009 at 01:31 PM.
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09-24-2009, 01:22 PM
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FWD (for all intensive purposes) for the mass consumer market has changed significantly over the past decade, it puts RWD to shame. There are many more FWD cars out there that can give Hondas a run for their money.
I know I'm comparing apples to oranges but why pay $40K for a 15 year old MKIV Supra that's falling apart and leaking oil like no tomorrow, when you can pay $30,000'ish for a 3 year old Acura TL Type-S which has 200+ HP, is newer, much more comfortable and still covered under warranty?
Most people don't even drive their cars anywhere beyond 10% of its potential anyway.
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09-24-2009, 01:22 PM
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by the way, all 4 bangers lack of torque.
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False. Clearly you've never driven a mazdaspeed3 
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09-24-2009, 01:25 PM
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back then honda had full f&r double wishbone suspension + light solid unibody chassis
not as much competition from other car manufacturers
then honda cheaped out
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09-24-2009, 01:27 PM
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by the way, all 4 bangers lack of torque.
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09-24-2009, 01:30 PM
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what?
which 4 banger doesnt lack torque
the fuck
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09-24-2009, 01:32 PM
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False. Clearly you've never driven a mazdaspeed3 |
yes yes i know, i love mazdaspeed 3 dont get me wrong, its one of my top 3 favorite car around that price tag
anything with turbo/SC will get hp/torque
thats a no brainer
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09-24-2009, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Mugen EvOlutioN
what?
which 4 banger doesnt lack torque
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4 banger lacks torque...
Thats funny... 
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09-24-2009, 01:34 PM
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False. Clearly you've never driven a mazdaspeed3 |
Well, I bet his argument would be that the Speed3 is turbocharged, but I know one engine that would shut him up.
the 3L Straight-4 in a 944 =D
Anyways OP: Your friend is just biased as fuck. Forget him.
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09-24-2009, 01:37 PM
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what u wonna tell me 4 bangers make huge amount of torque?
seriously, dont give me the turbo, supercharge, nitrous bullshit. Any car with turbo, SC, nitrous can make power. A civic can make 500whp with turbo, so can EVo, STi. Supra can make 1000whp with turbo. Any car can make xxx amout of hp and torque when going FI
in general 4 cylinder cannot make torque because its smaller displacement
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09-24-2009, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Mugen EvOlutioN
what u wonna tell me 4 bangers make huge amount of torque?
seriously, dont give me the turbo, supercharge, nitrous bullshit. Any car with turbo, SC, nitrous can make power. A civic can make 500whp with turbo, so can EVo, STi. Supra can make 1000whp with turbo. Any car can make xxx amout of hp and torque when going FI
in general 4 cylinder cannot make torque because its smaller displacement
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Nobody said a 4-cylinder had to be small. You're saying N/A 4-cylinders lack torque. That is not true.
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09-24-2009, 01:44 PM
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IN GENERAL!!!!!!!
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09-24-2009, 01:46 PM
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IN GENERAL
most 4 cylinder range from 1.6L to 2.5L their torque and hp number is around 110hp/110 torque to 160hp/160 torque which is fine
V6 3.0-3.5L
ranges 250hp-330hp torque number is around 260 pounds of torque
V8 torqu number is around 300 + , HP wise around 300hp to 400hp
so what im saying is because its a smaller engine , in GENERAL it is very hard or near impossible to get them to make more hp/torque without going boost. BUt as i mentioned, anything boost can go fast, that we can agree on right?
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09-24-2009, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Mugen EvOlutioN
IN GENERAL
most 4 cylinder range from 1.6L to 2.5L their torque and hp number is around 110hp/110 torque to 160hp/160 torque which is fine
V6 3.0-3.5L
ranges 250hp-330hp torque number is around 260 pounds of torque
V8 torqu number is around 300 + , HP wise around 300hp to 400hp
so what im saying is because its a smaller engine , in GENERAL it is very hard or near impossible to get them to make more hp/torque without going boost. BUt as i mentioned, anything boost can go fast, that we can agree on right?
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Now you're just trying to correct yourself. But you lost already.
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09-24-2009, 01:55 PM
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ok watever u say
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09-24-2009, 02:07 PM
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^^^ LOL
well.. i dont have a speed.. i have a regular NA Mazda3 Sedan version not the "hatchback" version.. and i dont really like the look of the 5D.. but yes.. i do feel that the suspension are firm.. with the coilover its stiff as hell 
as for my biased assfucked by vtec friend.. not so much friend but friend.. lol
he drives a base model lancer.. with intake in it.. and constanly guns it.. i dont bother with him but he always wants to race me 
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09-24-2009, 02:16 PM
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Honda's just have so much more aftermarket support. Even the cheapest car in their lineup, the Fit, has a ton of parts available.
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09-24-2009, 02:21 PM
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FWD (for all intensive purposes) for the mass consumer market has changed significantly over the past decade, it puts RWD to shame. There are many more FWD cars out there that can give Hondas a run for their money.
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This.
Older honduhs were decent FWD platforms because they were light and had good front suspension.
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Most people don't even drive their cars anywhere beyond 10% of its potential anyway.
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Aaaaannnd this. Most people would never really understand why RWD is superior for "fun" driving.
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