True. You do have a good point. I guess if I were to pick the 17-85 route, I would either get the kit with 17-85 or buy a body and probably a used lens.

I was just curious to see if the 17-85 lens is even worth the extra money to start with (I see used ones going for about $300-$350).

if you plan on the 17-85, don't buy the kit, just buy body only, cuz if you get the 17-85, the 18-55 will be useless

Yep - I'm getting just the body only. Someone pointed me to another interesting lens today though that I'm looking into - a Tamron 17-50 f/2.8. Supposedly a pretty sharp lens and appears to be frequently compared to the 17-85 in a lot of reviews. No IS and less reach, but supposedly better optics than a Canon 17-85. Researching now to see how it stacks up against the kit 18-55 and the 17-85.

here is the best unbiased review of the following and compared

Canon 18-55mm f3.5-5.6
Canon 17-5mm f4-5.6
Canon 17-55mm f2.8
Tamron 17-50mm f2.8
Sigma 18-50mm f2.8

huh? where's the review? or what are u talking about?

and i realized i ddint post it..
here it is
http://www.wlcastleman.com/equip/rev...pare/index.htm

I did see that review when I was researching the Tamron. It seemed like a pretty technical review and was way over my head so I scrolled down to the conclusion. I can't help to think that the reviewer may have been a bit of a Canon fanboi though...

I'm still undecided about whether to get the Tamron though. I can't find any used ones locally (I saw one on CL, but I didn't get a response from the seller) and I'm hesitant to buy one online just because of the quality issues I occasionally hear about in some people's reviews. Since a lot of the pictures I take are going to be indoors, and I'd prefer not to use the flash if possible, I still have my eye set on the Tamron. The Canon 17-55 f2.8 is way out of my price range.

theres not much out there for the tamron becuz its still a very sharp lens!

Yeah, no doubt. All the used ones I've seen are about $420 and up. Lens and Shutter have it at $499.

I guess I'm going to have to get something soon...right now I've got just a body and no lens. :(

darthchilli - you still thinking about the tamron? If you want we can go in together and buy two and see if they'll cut us a bit of a deal...either that, or I can pick buy your 17-85 to hold me over for the time being. :D

the canon 17-55 has close to no flaws
which from reading many different reviews, it says the same hting
canons saturation and colors from their lens will of course be better than 3rd party in most cases

just that the 17-55mm has a price that rapes ur wallet being an EFS lens and not a L lens
u can buy the 24-70L for 100 more
and both are sharp as hel

where do you guys buy your lenses from? was checking out sigma4less.com w/ the current currency exchange its the same as broadway camera....

If it's a Sigma lens, you might as well buy in Canada if the price is similar. At least you'll get the 10 year warranty.

You might want to take a look at this article.

http://www.lensrentals.com/news/2008...the-sigma-saga

The following site is the best site every made for Canadian photography junkies...I ran across it on redflagdeals...not sure if its been posted...but check it..

www.photoprice.ca

I was able to use that site to price match and what not and i saved quite a good chunk of change on my Camera and Lens purchase today...pretty happy about it...

Best part about it is tax savings...learn to buy out of province...and not only do you get a cheaper price (since there are more options/places to buy from) but you only pay 5% tax as opposed to 12% :0)

The site is super easy to maneuver...so check it out and have fun!


BTW: I am in no way affiliated with this site....I just love it...Broadway camera couldnt even come close to what I got my gear for - the absolute best price they could do was still over $100 difference...

different companies different structures
you are..a smart shopper

anyways..yea..i use that site too...but i always end up buying second hand...haha

Article link didn't work - just kicked straight to the lensrentals homepage.

But WTF... I didn't know the iPhone had an EF-mount!

http://www2.moltenimage.com/photos/revscene/iphone.jpg

not sure if anyone asked yet but whats a good wide angle lens??
i got a big family and everytime we take a family picture its really hard to get everyone to fit into the picture since i dont ahve enough room to move the camera back anymore
i just got the xsi

How much are you willing to spend? Canon's 10-22mm is really nice (buddy of mine has one, I'm jealous). Most third-party lensmakers (Tamron, Tokina, Sigma, etc.) have something similar. I've heard good things about Sigma's.

Or for about $30-$40 you can get an adapter off eBay that screws on the front of your lens like a filter and gives you ridiculously wide angles... expect image quality to be worth about $30-$40, too, but if it's for family portraits that are just going on Facebook or into 4x6 prints, you'd probably never notice the difference.

probably gunna be blown up picture that will hang somewhere haha

willing to spend around 200-300ish dollars

What lens are you using right now? Just so we have an idea of how wide you want to go. A 10-22 is about $800 which is way up there. :D

I'd recommend the Tokina 11-16 f2.8, but it costs around $700.

currently have the 18-55mm lens that came with the camera only

dont have a lot of money to spend

Well, I guess you better enjoy that 18-55 then. Good camera gear is going to be $$$. Save up, you might be able to find a Sigma 10-20 for under $500.

Been thinking about the Sigma 17-70 for my Pentax K10D for a while now. Looked at some sample photos over on pbase (http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/17_70_28_45_dc_macro) and have been quite impressed by the clarity and sharpness of the images.

After reading the lensrentals article on Sigma failure rates, I am now skeptical about this lens. Has anyone here had any experience with this lens and what might be a suitable alternative?
Thanks!

oops wrong thread :P