Yeah that makes sense, but i have seen the doubles across only one direction as well.

The trick here is to put your car in the middle of the lane... so there's no longer enough room for someone to squeeze past.

You have to get up early to fool Presto!

I don't see a problem with people moving up beside you to make a right turn. I do that all the time and i see everyone do it.
I've never had any issues with this. So long as the right turner yields to oncoming left turns or cross traffic coming from the left (if they arrived first).

the point is, the right turner rarely affects other traffic. I think it's fine as it speeds up the flow of traffic.

For sure that means it must be proper and legal to do it...

No i never said it was legal. I'm not here to argue the law.
My previous post was in response to jlenko's post. I just don't see the need to purposely wait in the middle of the lane to block cars from coming up on your right. If someone is turning right they don't affect you going straight or turning left.

And if you are turning right yourself, you better be positioning your car on the right hand side of the lane.

OK, sorry, that's the way I took it when I read it.

But it does, and I've already explained how it causes problems when people to it to me.

Has anyone seen that 4 way stop by best buy in coquitlam, it has separate right turn lanes but the arrows are worn off the pavement so people try to go straight from them. It is quite the show when 8 people arrive there at one time.

Fraser and 41st Ave was a gong show the other day with the traffic lights out.

For example, first set of cars on Fraser St just cross 41st ave heading north bound, just as they finish crossing the intersection I slowly rolled onto the intersection to cross 41st Ave heading Westbound, but the 2nd set of cars behind the first set got impatient, started to follow closely to the first set of cars almost getting into a collision with me.

So would it be their fault for not yielding because I didn't finish crossing the intersection?

The second set of cars would definitely be in the wrong following the cars in front of them. Although you might technically have to yield to them if they entered the intersection before you did (right or wrong, you're not allowed to ram people).

Imagine a time before the internet was common. Imagine pulling up to multiple busy 4 ways everyday and seeing the east-west cars head straight across at the same time, then the north-south car cross straight across at the same time. Arguably the cars behind them hit the stop lines at the same time, so the guy turning left would always be yielding. This is what I got accustomed to. I think I actually justified it as making more sense because it is more efficient in moving cars through the intersection in most cases.

I guess even when cars are going north & south (both straight), they shouldn't leave the stop lines at the same time, but from what I see they do.

Multiple lanes governed by the same stop sign seem ridiculous to me, as many cars will just assume the order of whichever car got to that stop sign first and go at the same time. I guess it just allows cars turning right to bypass the line up - and that indicates that it isn't legal to do it at single lane roads.

Can anyone point out the law or bylaw that covers 4 way stops? I can't find it in the MVA other than some references to 'yield to the right'.

Oh, and here's another question. If the vehicle that should have the right of way is yielding to pedestrians, should the vehicles clear of pedestrians wait or proceed?

So it must be you two who I see continually see trying to wave each other in while holding up traffic for 30 seconds.

Yeah multiple lanes can be confusing, but much like with most rules, you have the legal method, and you have the method normally used in practice. If car A going north stops first, and then car B also going north but in an adjacent lane comes after, he can pretty much go at the same time as Car A regardless of whether cross traffic has arrived before B (but after A). This speeds up flow and makes sense because if Car A is gonna go straight through, cross traffic can't go anyway so car B going does not cost anyone else any time. Of course you often get those assholes who follow closely behind the car in front in order to cross the intersection without having to stop.

Also, if Car A arrives before Car B, but car A as to wait for pedestrians to cross, then in most cases Car B will skip A's turn and go on ahead. This becomes more important if the pedestrian(s) crossing in front of car A are either slow, or have a lot of kids crossing at once, thereby taking a long time. Again, not saying anything about the law here, just basing it on observation.

I almost never see people following the 4way stop rules! It's almost always changing - despite pileups on all 4 sides!! Moron drivers
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