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12-18-2008, 12:09 PM
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what section was written on your ticket?
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12-18-2008, 12:22 PM
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At the end of the day, how much time would it have taken you to clear the snow off the back window?
What sucks is following some turd who has snow on his roof, rear window, etcetc. which creates a shit whiteout driving experience for those behind him.
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12-18-2008, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Eff-1  what section was written on your ticket? | read dude lol
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12-18-2008, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by DC5-S I called the office and spoke with a traffic cop and he said you have to have a 350 degree unobstructed view.. he also said vans and trucks have different privelages and that for cars you have to be able to see 350 degrees.. is this true? this guy might just be saying this to make me pay.. | WTF?
What, so is it also illegal if you have three people sitting in the back seat and their heads are partially blocking the rear window? 
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12-18-2008, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by InvisibleSoul WTF?
What, so is it also illegal if you have three people sitting in the back seat and their heads are partially blocking the rear window?
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12-18-2008, 12:39 PM
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ya i know ive seen cars many times with piled up shit in the back seat im fucking disputing this bullshit ticket
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12-18-2008, 01:05 PM
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that's bs, if you have working mirrors you can have no rear window, check the police forum and skidmark will tell you that.
and the traffic cop told you you need 350 degree view, he shouldnt be saying that unless it's actually written in the MVA as "350 degrees"
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12-18-2008, 02:17 PM
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how much was the ticket, that is BS tho
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12-18-2008, 04:26 PM
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Just to make sure, instead of guessing, was it section 195 that you were ticketed for?
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12-18-2008, 04:27 PM
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yes 195 (1) (a)
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12-18-2008, 05:02 PM
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Moving this to Police forum.
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12-18-2008, 07:28 PM
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Well it does appear that you're ok; i took a pretty good look through the regs and MVA and couldn't find anything about the rear window being obscured.
Although, it definitely isn't as safe as simply wiping it off.
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12-18-2008, 08:58 PM
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thanks for the help, anything about the rear view mirror either? i dont know where that cop got 350 degrees from i guess he was making stuff on the spot and thought I would be ignorant enough to fall for it. he was also talking about the blindspot but how can the blindspot be affected by the rear view.. i look through my rear passenger window for cars
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12-18-2008, 09:08 PM
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He was making that up. The law states that so long as you have side view mirrors mounted to both the left and right side of your automobile, you can obscure your rear window as much as you'd like.
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12-18-2008, 09:37 PM
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i also remember him saying trucks and semis have different rules.. im like what about those white vans with doors on the back with no window he said they have the same rules lol
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12-18-2008, 10:22 PM
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Trucks and vans have certain exemptions from the MVA regulations, but he cited you a MVA section that isn't from the regulations (MVA is the laws pertaining to how you drive, regulations pertain to what you drive).
You're good. Dispute.
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12-18-2008, 11:28 PM
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how would the 195 (1) (a) even affect someone? it says "a person must not cause a vehicle to move on a highway if the control of the driver over the driving mechanism of the vehicle is obstructed" would that mean you would have to be driving with a steering wheel lock on the car or something? lol.. and why would he even write that section on that ticket it has nothing to do with visibility..
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12-18-2008, 11:28 PM
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Yeah, pretty much.
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12-19-2008, 05:25 AM
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DC5-S he would have to be able to convince the JP that the snow on the back window did "obstruct" as stated specifically in that section. Sometimes reading the section from the "cheater' does not give you the correct section.
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12-19-2008, 09:14 AM
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i dont understand..
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12-19-2008, 09:17 AM
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Uh. Neither do I? What's this "cheater" you speak of, ZT? And who would have to convince the JP that the snow was obstructing the rear window?
195 (1) A person must not cause a vehicle to move on a highway if
(a) the control of the driver over the driving mechanism of the vehicle, or
(b) the view of the driver to the front or sides of the vehicle
is obstructed.
The rear window was obstructed, hence the section simply doesn't apply, and the kid doesn't deserve the ticket.
Seems pretty simple to me.
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12-19-2008, 11:21 AM
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Either there is more to the story that we are not hearing or the officer was genuinely mistaken in issuing the ticket. If the latter is the case, you should be able to have it cancelled by speaking to the officer's supervisor. Call the detachment listed on the ticket, ask for the supervisor and see what you can do.
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12-19-2008, 11:48 AM
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I followed that advice when I got the front tinted windows ticket. The officer was mistaken and I showed him the car during the day and he realized his error, but he still couldn't cancel the ticket. He said I'd have to dispute it but he'd plead no contest. He said he couldn't cancel the ticket. If only he knew he could do that.
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12-19-2008, 12:19 PM
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i dont wanna talk to that guy again lol its already been disputed.. should i print out the MVA section and take it with me to court? and tell the judge that it doesnt say anywhere that your rear view window has to be free off obstructions. and that the officer wrote down the wrong section 195 (1) (a) which has nothing to do with visibility.. and i dont think the officer was mistaken in issuing the ticket he told me i have to be able to see through the rear of the car which clearly he is wrong.. and there is nothing more to the story.
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12-19-2008, 05:23 PM
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It's a simple form to fill out and submit if the white copy of the ticket has already been sent to ICBC. Once ICBC gets the form they cancel the ticket. Simple.
You can take a copy with you if you wish to, but it would be better to take 3, one for you, one for the JP and one for the officer is standard practice. The JP will have the Act on his desk and the officer should know what the section says, so you can get away in this case with just a copy for yourself.
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