Is this what Canadian soldiers died for?

[Jason00S2000]

Prime Minister Stephen Harper said Wednesday that Canada remains committed to its mission in Afghanistan, but he voiced strong concerns about new Afghan legislation that would limit women's rights in that country.

"This is antithetical to our mission in Afghanistan," Harper said in an interview with CBC News.

The new Afghan family law would reportedly make it illegal for women to refuse their husbands sex, leave the house without their permission or have custody of children.



Canadian blood and money used to support women being used as slaves. Nice.

[SkinnyPupp]

What does this have to do with Canada again?

[smoothie.]

its ok its not like they have rights here either

[RacePace]

unfortunately this is how they are, this is what they have believed for who knows how long, hundreds of years? We can't force our western values on them, if the women there don't like it, they have to stand up for themselves

[pandalove]

this is their country's sovereignty
leave them alone

[q0192837465]

No, Canadian soldiers die because of politics.

[Jason00S2000]

Originally Posted by Illuminate

unfortunately this is how they are, this is what they have believed for who knows how long, hundreds of years? We can't force our western values on them, if the women there don't like it, they have to stand up for themselves

Ah, yes!


Then these people move to Canada, and slowly impose their values on us, cloaked in "multiculturalism".

I have seen these sheet people downtown recently, and it disgusts me. Slavery of women like this is an affront to my sense of freedom.


You have to realize, these women cannot stand up for themselves. They are raped, have acid thrown on them, are shot publically in stadiums(taliban times), are refused education, and are no more able to stand up for themselves than your average Canadian 12 year old boy could stand up for themselves.


Actually, the average 12 year old Canadian boy probably has more education and more knowledge of combat tactics from Halo to be able to mount a more effective battle for rights than your average adult Afghan woman.


The irony of a porn salesman being so offended by the enslavement of women in Afghanistan.

[Jason00S2000]

Originally Posted by Illuminate

unfortunately this is how they are, this is what they have believed for who knows how long, hundreds of years? We can't force our western values on them, if the women there don't like it, they have to stand up for themselves

I agree with you that we can't force values on them. I don't even think we should be there in the first place.

I do believe if we ARE going to be there, we should be there to win.

If you've read what the generals have said, this is an unwinnable war. It is all about maintaining a level of security and fighting off what is really an insurgency and not an organized conflict.

The only way to actually WIN the war, would be to use nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons to effectively destroy an entire people, or break them until you have a complete surrender. Otherwise, as soon as the coalition troops leave, it's back to "Allah snackbar!" and religious fundamentalist paradise.

[smoothie.]

Originally Posted by Jason00S2000

The irony of a porn salesman being so offended by the enslavement of women in Afghanistan.

well done sir

[Vansterdam]

^

[KingDeeCee]

I thought the Afghan women never had rights to begin with.

[ZhangFei]

do you guys think those afghani women are underneath those sheets are hot?

[Philly74]

Originally Posted by q0192837465

No, Canadian soldiers die because of politics.

It's not even Canada's war... it's the American's war, Canada just tag along to fight...

[Xzecution'R]

dude we were there before the americans were...

[G-spec]

Jason, before you get all Islamo Phobe on everyone here, I just wanna tell you that the shit you see there is a direct result of old Tribal Afghani customs and have very little to do true Islam.

In Islam, when women divorce a man they actually have more rights in the due process than the man does. Women in Islam have had some rights that women in Canada only received a little over a 100 years ago.

these are facts I speak, I didn't come to argue, I won't argue, I know it's hard to believe thanks to CNN and Fox news, but if you don't believe, then please do some research. You may begin here if you like http://www.islamawareness.net/Women/

here's a quick brief for ignorant ones, these are actual rules from the Islamic law on what women have the right too, meaning this CANNOT be disputed by anyone because it's the Islamic law.

1. The right and duty to obtain education.
2. The right to have their own independent property.
3. The right to work to earn money if they need it or want it.
4. Equality of reward for equal deeds.
5. The right to express their opinion and be heard.
6. The right to provisions from the husband for all her needs and more.
7. The right to negotiate marriage terms of her choice.
8. The right to obtain divorce from her husband, even on the grounds that she simply can't stand him. (pls note that God deeply frowns upon divorce as a solution unless there is hardly any other alternative but it does not mean that men have more right to divorce their wives than women do.)
9. The right to keep all her own money (she is not responsible to maintain any relations).
10. The right to get sexual satisfaction from her husband.
11. custody of their children after divorce
12. to refuse any marriage that does not please them


^ # 10 is a friggin curveball eh

[StylinRed]

Canadian soldiers have been dying for nothing.... there was no reason for us to be there in the first place...

so what the Taliban didn't want to give up BinLaden to the USA? fine fine lets be diplomatic and help our allies go in there and get him..

oh what we're not gonna do that anymore??? wtf are we there?! to take out the Taliban?! who are better leaders than the people they replaced before them? uhh.... why? to force Democracy on them? oh that's very democratic... ok...... oh we helped replace the Taliban with a puppet govt. that can't get anything done and is slowly turning Afghanistan back to how it was before the Taliban (a lot worse) ? ohh...... why?

[CRS]

Originally Posted by StylinRed

Canadian soldiers have been dying for nothing.... there was no reason for us to be there in the first place...

so what the Taliban didn't want to give up BinLaden to the USA? fine fine lets be diplomatic and help our allies go in there and get him..

oh what we're not gonna do that anymore??? wtf are we there?! to take out the Taliban?! who are better leaders than the people they replaced before them? uhh.... why? to force Democracy on them? oh that's very democratic... ok...... oh we helped replace the Taliban with a puppet govt. that can't get anything done and is slowly turning Afghanistan back to how it was before the Taliban (a lot worse) ? ohh...... why?

Sorry to break it to you but Canada has reasons to be there. It isn't as simple as black and white. Canada has had no war experience in a LONG time. We have only trained in mock scenarios and have had no actual war experience. As such, it leaves us lacking the knowledge and experience needed for an effective military.

Seriously. The last war we participated in was the Korean War. And that was a long time ago. All our new high ranking offers have like no actual war experience or knowledge. How do you expect to train troops for war when you have never seen it yourself?

[StylinRed]

rofl.... your argument for Canada to be there is to garner expierience... rofl

peacekeeping missions are just as dangerous as participating in war.... and Canadas been involved in that a lot since after the Korean War... however i cannot accept your argument of being there to gain expierience

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by Adon

Jason, before you get all Islamo Phobe on everyone here, I just wanna tell you that the shit you see there is a direct result of old Tribal Afghani customs and have very little to do true Islam.

In Islam, when women divorce a man they actually have more rights in the due process than the man does. Women in Islam have had some rights that women in Canada only received a little over a 100 years ago.

these are facts I speak, I didn't come to argue, I won't argue, I know it's hard to believe thanks to CNN and Fox news, but if you don't believe, then please do some research. You may begin here if you like http://www.islamawareness.net/Women/

here's a quick brief for ignorant ones, these are actual rules from the Islamic law on what women have the right too, meaning this CANNOT be disputed by anyone because it's the Islamic law.

1. The right and duty to obtain education.
2. The right to have their own independent property.
3. The right to work to earn money if they need it or want it.
4. Equality of reward for equal deeds.
5. The right to express their opinion and be heard.
6. The right to provisions from the husband for all her needs and more.
7. The right to negotiate marriage terms of her choice.
8. The right to obtain divorce from her husband, even on the grounds that she simply can't stand him. (pls note that God deeply frowns upon divorce as a solution unless there is hardly any other alternative but it does not mean that men have more right to divorce their wives than women do.)
9. The right to keep all her own money (she is not responsible to maintain any relations).
10. The right to get sexual satisfaction from her husband.
11. custody of their children after divorce
12. to refuse any marriage that does not please them


^ # 10 is a friggin curveball eh

Now which Islamic country follows those rules?
For rule 9 were does the woman get her money in the first place?

[CRS]

Originally Posted by StylinRed

rofl.... your argument for Canada to be there is to garner expierience... rofl

peacekeeping missions are just as dangerous as participating in war.... and Canadas been involved in that a lot since after the Korean War... however i cannot accept your argument of being there to gain expierience

It is true that peacekeeping missions are dangerous and are certainly something to gain experience from. It isn't, however, even remotely close to a war. In wars, people are aiming directly at you. Peacekeeping is trying to keep both parties at bay and more likely than not, they will not shoot you. They will shoot each other infront of you but that is pretty much the extent of it. In wars, the people are trying to kill you.

And not to mention that peacekeeping missions do not involve a huge portion of actual military being used. How many men can gain experience from a making tours on a war comparing to how many on peacekeeping tours? They aren't similar at all.

Can't accept my argument? Have a look at yours. Comparing peacekeeping missions and wars without even thinking about how completely different they are? Please. Not to mention the actual involvement of the military in wars vs. peacekeeping.

[Jason00S2000]

Originally Posted by Adon

this CANNOT be disputed by anyone because it's the Islamic law.

What is the law for people who choose to leave Islam?

[StylinRed]

Originally Posted by CRS

Can't accept my argument? Have a look at yours. Comparing peacekeeping missions and wars without even thinking about how completely different they are? Please. Not to mention the actual involvement of the military in wars vs. peacekeeping.

thats what im saying, i cant accept being in afghanistan or anywhere for the sake of gaining expierience as an argument

[91LS-VTak]

We are in Afghanistan to get rid of the "evil" Taleban and to get rid of Al Quaeda. The Taleban weren't always evil though. Before 9/11 the Taleban were tolerated as long as they didnt rock the boat too much. But since 9/11 the Taleban are the third worst people in the world, behind Bin Laden and lawyers.

[Zale]

From my perspective, I find it wierd how Afghan/Taliban terrorists attacked the United States yet the US isnt even in Afghanistan (or atleast as much as it should be), they somehow decided that it was the people of Iraq who blew up their buildings and invaded them.
Canada and the UN who are doing peace keeping missions are more commited to resolving the violence in Afghanistan. The Americans on the other hand could care less about Bin Laden now. I mean seriously, how long does it take the self proclaimed "Most Powerful Nation in the Universe" to track down a 42 year old man who lives in a desert? You'd figure theyd have the technology to be able to have found him within months if not a couple years.
My moral of the story I still think it was an inside job.

[Hot Karl]

Originally Posted by Zale

From my perspective, I find it wierd how Afghan/Taliban terrorists attacked the United States yet the US isnt even in Afghanistan (or atleast as much as it should be), they somehow decided that it was the people of Iraq who blew up their buildings and invaded them.
Canada and the UN who are doing peace keeping missions are more commited to resolving the violence in Afghanistan. The Americans on the other hand could care less about Bin Laden now. I mean seriously, how long does it take the self proclaimed "Most Powerful Nation in the Universe" to track down a 42 year old man who lives in a desert? You'd figure theyd have the technology to be able to have found him within months if not a couple years.
My moral of the story I still think it was an inside job.

what a huge pile of crap this post is.