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G-spec 05-04-2009 02:07 PM

GTR "VDC Launch control" controversy explained
 
I won't voice my opinion on this hotly debated issue, but I feel this video explains everything, and from what I understand after watching this video the cliffnotes are.

--the term "Launch Control" doesn't even exist to Nissan, it's something the North American market made up.

--The VDC was NEVER meant to be used for launching a car, it specifically says so in the manual, and it's there to help you out of snow or mud

I think for 2009 GTR they just underestimated how people were going to use this car and didn't make it clear enough in their user manual, for the 2010 GTR it's revised down to the letter.
Be sure to watch the WHOLE video and READ carefully to what he's saying, it basically explains everything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1bHGaV-Lvw

MarkyMark 05-04-2009 02:33 PM

Yeah because so many people are going to take their GTR out in the snow and mud...seems like a useful feature to me.

shenmecar 05-04-2009 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkyMark (Post 6409393)
Yeah because so many people are going to take their GTR out in the snow and mud...seems like a useful feature to me.

its for the germans

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfXkJMDWDMU

Konvict 05-04-2009 03:28 PM

its AWD...why wud u not take it in snow? id drive it all year round if i had one lol

k20a 05-04-2009 09:32 PM

"badadadada"


hahaha

!SG 05-04-2009 09:38 PM

thats stupid,

why would they say its for getting out of mud and snow when all they give you are run flat SUMMER tires.

!Aznboi128 05-04-2009 10:02 PM

^ true!

death_blossom 05-04-2009 10:23 PM

sounds like the Nissan lawyers are twisting words and re-interpreting the whole system.

MDMA 05-04-2009 11:22 PM

false advertisement

El Bastardo 05-04-2009 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adon (Post 6409359)
I think for 2009 GTR they just underestimated how people were going to use this car and didn't make it clear enough in their user manual, for the 2010 GTR it's revised down to the letter.


+

Quote:

Originally Posted by death_blossom
sounds like the Nissan lawyers are twisting words and re-interpreting the whole system.

^^ Yes


Come on. They expected people to use that feature recreationally but didn't expect people to go crazy with it. Now they're backpedalling to cover their asses and get out of warrant repairs.

orgasm_donor 05-04-2009 11:51 PM

3.5 seconds now? What a dog!

124Y 05-05-2009 01:34 AM

It's good to hear they revised the so called "launch control" in the 2010 model.

Rikaro 05-05-2009 03:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkyMark (Post 6409393)
Yeah because so many people are going to take their GTR out in the snow and mud...seems like a useful feature to me.

lol and what would you do with it? Keep it in the garage?

the GTR is meant to be a daily driver. If you have driven one you'll know what I mean.

asian_XL 05-05-2009 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkyMark (Post 6409393)
Yeah because so many people are going to take their GTR out in the snow and mud...seems like a useful feature to me.

ever wonder why we have so many SUV/jeep/4x4 pick up on the road? :rolleyes:

impactX 05-05-2009 06:44 AM

But it's got tires that you can't change without voiding the warranty unless you go back to the dealer... WTF?

Black SC2 05-05-2009 06:46 AM

If it was never meant to be used that way, why did they let countless magazines use the term launch control, as well as use the feature for testing, without having them print corrections/ retractions whatever. They could have curbed the problem before they sold the first unit.

BNR32_Coupe 05-05-2009 07:32 AM

LOL did anyone notice, the guy at the end looks like a yakuza gangster!

Shun Izaki 05-05-2009 09:08 AM

lol...

what awesome PR on the LC that kills trannies faster than 1990_TSI :P

Mister Donut 05-05-2009 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by !SG (Post 6409970)
thats stupid,

why would they say its for getting out of mud and snow when all they give you are run flat SUMMER tires.

I stayed in some of the northern prefectures of Japan and people drive their GTRs all year round, even in the worst snow conditions. They just mount winter tires.

Shun Izaki 05-05-2009 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PP (Post 6410534)
I stayed in some of the northern prefectures of Japan and people drive their GTRs all year round, even in the worst snow conditions. They just mount winter tires.

but you're not talking about R35's, which I believe !SG is.

toyota86 05-05-2009 11:33 AM

install a manual transmission it it and be done with it. stupid nissan

Mister Donut 05-05-2009 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sf666@BNR32 (Post 6410636)
but you're not talking about R35's, which I believe !SG is.

That's true. I haven't seen any R35s with snowies, but I've seen R34s with snowtires!

G-spec 05-05-2009 02:56 PM

I think there's 1 very important facts that always get overlooked and is worth mentioning

The GTR keeps getting compared to cars that are in a different category, like high end exotics that are mostly hand built. Cars that are purpose built with not much else in mind except for speed, and to be lightweight high HP track monsters. While the GTR was built to own the track, it's also an excellent daily driver. It's no wonder they call it the mini Veyron, because a Veyron was built to be the exact same thing, high HP but so easy to drive, your mom can drive it to the grocery store.

Even though the GTR holds it's own, most of the time even besting these cars, I still don't think it's a fair comparison for a car that weighs almost 4000 pounds with a driver inside, while the rest of these cars usually have more HP and weight just over 3000 lbs.


Here's a vid of All Season Testing they did in Japan. Now I could be wrong, but since it only makes sense to test tires that will be sold with the car, I'm going to assume that in this vid, the tires aren't any different from what you would get straight from the showroom floor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVChSHZPB2A

G-spec 05-05-2009 03:02 PM

and here's a video that actually shows you what the VDC R Mode was apparently meant for, you see the guy driving it and drifting in snow with the VDC off, test was done with optional snow tires


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQlnGB5KsoE

BNR32_Coupe 05-05-2009 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adon (Post 6410890)
I think there's 1 very important facts that always get overlooked and is worth mentioning

The GTR keeps getting compared to cars that are in a different category, like high end exotics that are mostly hand built. Cars that are purpose built with not much else in mind except for speed, and to be lightweight high HP track monsters. While the GTR was built to own the track, it's also an excellent daily driver. It's no wonder they call it the mini Veyron, because a Veyron was built to be the exact same thing, high HP but so easy to drive, your mom can drive it to the grocery store.

Even though the GTR holds it's own, most of the time even besting these cars, I still don't think it's a fair comparison for a car that weighs almost 4000 pounds with a driver inside, while the rest of these cars usually have more HP and weight just over 3000 lbs.


Here's a vid of All Season Testing they did in Japan. Now I could be wrong, but since it only makes sense to test tires that will be sold with the car, I'm going to assume that in this vid, the tires aren't any different from what you would get straight from the showroom floor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVChSHZPB2A

^ NO NO NO!!!!!1 :fuuuuu: But it's automatic, it has attesa training wheels!!! *cries in rage* my 1/18 scale diecast porsche 911 collection has been forsaken by the new GTR.. why?!?!

http://i3.iofferphoto.com/img/115337...12902891/1.jpg


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