Originally Posted by twitchyzero (Post 6417898)

Yeah, we should take a few years off after grade 12 to work at our minimum wage jobs so i can save up for half of my undergrad tuition. I'll be out when I'm 26 with $12k debt then go back to working at a min- oh wait no, $14-hour job now! :rolleyes:

You first msg came off as 'screw subsidizing university student's educational costs', but just now you make it sound like it's so easy to work during school, get all the scholarships, loans etc.

Like i said already, if education wasn't subsidized, everyone would be looking for jobs, everyone would be applying for loans, you would need 90%+ GPA to get scholarships. There's only so much jobs, loans, scholarships to go around for every student. Youre' telling me that you can do all that and if one cannot achieve those goals they dont deserve to be in school? I mean you sound like a smart guy with real good time-management.


I wasn't trying to put Arts student down in any way. I was just making examples of expensive program to something that's more general and cheaper.

But since you brought it up I found sthing quite odd; i've recently spoke with many recent Arts alums @ work, and most tell me they're either working in a field that's totally unrelated to their degree, or they're back in school majoring something else.

Originally Posted by Black SC2 (Post 6418078)

You have just forfeited all right to argue in political discussions as far as I'm concerned. You can't bitch about something in which you don't participate.

Voter apathy is the single greatest political problem in this country, at both the provincial and national levels. Greater than scandal. Greater than governmental waste. It's easy to blame politicians for doing a lousy job, but we give them little incentive to clean up their acts. Vote them in. Vote them out. Send them a message. Write your MLA. Get involved. Do these things or shut the fuck up.

Originally Posted by Black SC2 (Post 6418078)

You have just forfeited all right to argue in political discussions as far as I'm concerned. You can't bitch about something in which you don't participate.

Originally Posted by twitchyzero (Post 6417563)

Working for the development office at UBC
i for one would not vote for liberals.

Tuition is rising annually at a very steady rate. The old gov't put a 10 year freeze on and the past 8 years the Liberals doesn't see it from a student's prespective.

Originally Posted by twitchyzero (Post 6418201)

I reached the voting age not long ago. I'm still learning different parties and what they have to offer in depth.

Originally Posted by taylor192 (Post 6418328)

and this is why HE SHOULD NOT VOTE. I'd rather have 10% vote where each person that votes is educated on the issues, than 100% vote and 90% voting on what the media spoon fed them - cause then the media is controlling the vote, not the citizens.

Originally Posted by Soundy (Post 6418350)

I had a social-studies teacher in junior high, had an interesting idea: rather than every citizen automatically getting the right to vote at age 18, there should instead be a test of some sort, similar to a driver's test. If you can demonstrate a reasonable working knowledge of the relevant political system (be it federal, provincial, etc.), you get a "voter's license". You also lower the age limit... 16, 14, even less - even an intelligent, politically astute 12-year-old would be able to earn the right (anyone here old enough to get the reference if I mention Alex P. Keaton? :D), while an ignorant, retarded, and/or easily-swayed person of any age would be prevented from simply making random or guided choices.

Such a concept might also help with voter apathy, as once you've put in the time and effort to actually EARN the right the vote, you might be more inspired to EXERCISE it now and then.

Originally Posted by ctsport (Post 6418089)

And your argument that eliminating tuition subsidies would increase GPA requirements is completely unsound LOL- as anyone who has taken economics 101 can attest. Its simple matter of supply and demand. If students had to pay the full cost of their tuition.. which would be higher than it is now.. there would be LESS students because many students would rather do something else with their time and money. The result would be LESS enrollment thus LOWERING demand thereby forcing colleges to LOWER their enrollment requirements.

Anyone who hasn't been hiding in a cave for the last decade could tell you that having a degree, let alone your area of focus, is a piss-poor-indicator of future success. All the millionaires I personally know didn't even go to college, whereas the people I know who have the most formal education have only decent earning potential (under six figures). Whatever a student major's in is next to irrelevant as to what job she gets. Any young person today entering the workforce should expect to change jobs.. if not entire industries every few years for the duration of her working life.. this is just the nature of our modern economy. What matters is not the title of your degree, but what one gets from the experience of going through the university process.

Originally Posted by carisear (Post 6418248)

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Without a proper system in place, that will just lead to a huge money sinkhole. What's to stop people from getting a full education here, then moving to another country to work? I grew up in vancouver. i can honestly say that OVER 50% of the people i went to school with are no longer in this country. You still think taxpayers should be giving money to that?

Originally Posted by taylor192 (Post 6418328)

and this is why HE SHOULD NOT VOTE. I'd rather have 10% vote where each person that votes is educated on the issues, than 100% vote and 90% voting on what the media spoon fed them - cause then the media is controlling the vote, not the citizens.

Originally Posted by carisear (Post 6418248)

I grew up in vancouver. i can honestly say that OVER 50% of the people i went to school with are no longer in this country. You still think taxpayers should be giving money to that?

Originally Posted by twitchyzero (Post 6418511)

I don't see it as a simply supply and demand equation.

Originally Posted by twitchyzero (Post 6418511)

The second part of your post is pretty much dependent on whether you take a general studies or opt to go for a professional program afterwards.

Originally Posted by ctsport

Anyone who hasn't been hiding in a cave for the last decade could tell you that having a degree, let alone your area of focus, is a piss-poor-indicator of future success. All the millionaires I personally know didn't even go to college, whereas the people I know who have the most formal education have only decent earning potential (under six figures).

Originally Posted by twitchyzero (Post 6418511)

Meh, I'm not so prone to media bias as I'm originally from a place where media pollution severely impairs the vote results.

And what's the actual % of BC residents actually voting every year? Is it ~25%?

Originally Posted by aperfectcircle (Post 6418572)

A postgraduate degree is a much better dividing line between the chaff and the hard workers; any idiot can ace high school and barely pass through University, while it usually takes a real aptitude and work ethic to make the cut into a decent Master's program.

Originally Posted by roastpuff (Post 6418600)

Isn't that still media bias? Pollution (interesting choice of words there) causing effects in the voting preferences of the general population is in other words... bias.

Originally Posted by roastpuff (Post 6418600)

Isn't that still media bias? Pollution (interesting choice of words there) causing effects in the voting preferences of the general population is in other words... bias.

Also, a quick Google would've made yourself look less lazy and ignorant. 55% in 2001, 58% in 2005. Going to be higher this year, considering how much positive response I've gotten when volunteering on the phone lists.

Originally Posted by MegaMx (Post 6418366)

There's plain and simple only one reason I'm not voting NDP. Dumba$$e$ want to raise the minimum wage and increase cost to small business in this economy!!

Originally Posted by taylor192 (Post 6417158)

There are so many things wrong with your post.


and the point of posting this way? more sensationalism?

Did you know if we held JFK to the same political standards we do today, he would have never been elected. Politics shouldn't be the popularity contest people like you make it out to be... and you're a fucking lefty who's suposed to be above that petty politics. :rolleyes:


Health care has become a problem and NO PROVINCE HAS SOLVED IT including provinces with left governments.

I disagree with the lower tuition, university has become a haven to grads who obtain worthless degrees, and by your posts you haven't learned much from school, aka worthless.


There's so much wrong here I need bullets:
- privatizing rivers is false, since the public wasn't doing anything with them in the first place
- the new bridges are awesome, its the streets the bridges cannot solve. You can put wider bridges, 2 bridges, ... yet unless you widen the city streets it will not help.
- why keep BC Rail? Lets here a good argument, since the US works very well with privatized rail, hell it built their country!
- why harp on the DUI again? more sensationalism cause you don't have much else to say
- follow the news, the increased police force made a bunch of arrests, seems to have worked unlike the lefties that wouldn't have done anything
- the lefties slap wrists and constantly block measures for tougher punishments federally, please keep up with Canadian politics
- the NDP are the worst choice right now, for all the above reasons and more


Good ideas, do you have $32B to fund this? I don't, and the increase in taxes to cover such elaborate projects would hurt our pocketbooks.

Do you know how the Chinese pay for their infrastructure? Look it up and come back without such ignorant arguments.

Here's an example:
BC can build more public power plants, borrowing money and increasing taxes to pay for it. Or we can let private companies build them and charge us more for electricity to cover their costs. Either way WE ARE PAYING THE BILL via increased costs or increases taxes. Personally I'd rather increases costs, cause I can control how much I use, I cannot control how much the government takes from my paycheque.


It was over budget, yet its done and will be used. Cannot say the same of the fast ferries.


If the lefties would allow society to institutionalism the mentally ill, then homelessness might be defeated. Instead the left gave the mentally ill the right to accept government handouts while roaming the streets as prey for drug dealers.

We've tried the lefty solution to end homeless by catering to their needs, and it hasn't worked. We need a true "right" approach, not more homeless hugging left policies.



Pointless unless you consider the area served by the SeaToSky pumps a lot of money into the economy, and better serving that area should be a huge plus for the economy.

Perhaps Oak st needs a barrier down the middle too, since any street where cars can do 80+ will be a death trap. Or perhaps drivers should get proper tires and stop taking on their cell phone. I hate you lefties that think the government is responsible for forcing you into how to be safe.

Any personal responsibility seems to be missing from the left.


Dude, this is where you show your complete and utter stupidity. That's a CONSERVATIVE argument, not NDP.

NDP believes in taxing people to pay for public projects, thus increasing taxes on cars and houses to pay for public transportation. Perhaps you should look up your own NDP policies.

Please don't post anymore political opinions again, you're sadly misinformed ignorant sheep that just goes with what the media spoon feeds you. If this is the education my tax dollars subsidizes, I hope they triple tuition so people like you cannot attend school.

Originally Posted by twitchyzero (Post 6417887)

I get my facts from journals that publish school endowment stats every fiscal year. You get your facts from a political party website. I wonder which has more room for bias? I've spoken to over thousands of alums from as far back as 1950's up to ones that graded last year, all from different disciplines. I believe I voice somewhat representative from a university student's point of view of multiple disciplines & era. I'm not here to bash on Liberals nor support NDP. Hell, i dont even vote.

I pay a bit more than double of your annual tuition, but that's not the point.

Tuition freeze has it's +'s and -'s. BC's tuition levels were below national avg in the 90's, but recently it's been jumping up 2-5% each year. If you take taht 2% of your $7k a year, it adds up to quite a bit if you did your degree in 5 years.

Isn't VSB going to be under $44 million deficit next year? They've closed down so many elementary schools too. But the K-12 education issue is a whole 'nother can of worms.

Originally Posted by ctsport (Post 6417768)

Bullshit.

If a person really wants a post-secondary education, they could work full time for a few years and save up for their education. They could then work part time while enrolled and get scholarships and government loans to make up the rest. If they can't even do that then they don't deserve to be in college.

Originally Posted by SlySi (Post 6420468)

You're ignorent.... simple as that.

Originally Posted by scheng924 (Post 6419997)

i didn't read the whole page here but here's my thing on privatizing rivers...

what's james gonna do? stop it?.. then what.. go back to coal burning...
if the gov't instead of privatizing them and handle the projects on their own... where is the money going to come from... our taxes... that being said.. privatizing is not increasing our taxes...

Originally Posted by taylor192 (Post 6420483)

Its ignorant

Its hard to criticize someone's opinion on education when you cannot put together a coherent, grammatically correct, spell-checked argument.

Originally Posted by taylor192 (Post 6420483)

- why keep BC Rail? Lets here a good argument,