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Timpo 05-26-2009 02:13 AM

Toyota Reportedly Planning to Give Its Hybrid Technology To GM
 
http://gm-volt.com/2009/05/25/toyota...hnology-to-gm/

Toyota Reportedly Planning to Give its Hybrid Technology to GM
May 25th, 2009 | Posted in: Competitors, Hybrid

An unconfirmed report appears in the Japanese newspaper, the Daily Yomiuri, citing senior executives which claims Japanese automaker Toyota is prepared to give its core hybrid technology to GM.

Toyota supposedly wishes to offer GM the technology that underlies the Prius and other Toyota vehicles should GM go into bankruptcy. The intellectual property under consideration is patented technology for “increasing fuel economy by controlling the movement of the engine and the motor.”

Such a move reportedly would benefit Toyota by allowing its technology to become the de facto world-wide standard thereby continuing to accelerate its improvement and cost effectiveness.

Toyota is said to be concerned that failure of GM to successfully restructure could further collapse the North American auto market, potentially bringing down suppliers, and having significant repercussions on Toyota. Toyota is expected to post losses for two consecutive years and the return of the North American market is felt to be critical for Toyota’s recovery.

Toyota believes its hybrid technology is superior to what GM has developed thus far and is concerned that failure to achieve high fuel efficiency is one reason for GM’s current plight. GM is described as having fallen significantly behind Toyota in developing fuel efficient vehicles because of a long-standing focus on hydrogen fuel cell development, a market for which has not materialized.

Also, Toyota is claiming this action would ease US-Japan tensions as the automotive market plunges deeper into crisis.

GM and Toyota already have a joint assembly plant in California called NUMMI in which Toyota Matrix and Pontiac Vibe are built. No capital alliance between the companies in known to exist.

GM sources have advised GM-Volt.com that this report is “unlikely” to be accurate but that “stranger things” have been reported over the last few months. Toyota has also formally denied this plans to several news agencies, with a spokesperson declaring “we’re not considering it at the moment.”

asian_XL 05-26-2009 03:46 AM

even with toyota's tecnology...it will never achieve the fuel efficiency with like this POS

http://reviews.cnet.com/i/bto/200711..._1_540x360.jpg

roastpuff 05-26-2009 07:37 AM

Hmm... what if Toyota takes over GM?

Then we'd have an Italian Dodge Viper, and a Japanese Corvette?

wouwou 05-26-2009 08:05 AM

I thought T denied that news already?

jlenko 05-26-2009 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asian_XL (Post 6437668)
even with toyota's tecnology...it will never achieve the fuel efficiency with like this POS

http://reviews.cnet.com/i/bto/200711..._1_540x360.jpg

Yeah, but drug dealers don't have fuel cost concerns... so rockin' a Prius is out of the question.

Think of the drug dealers!

wouwou 05-26-2009 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jlenko (Post 6437812)
Yeah, but drug dealers don't have fuel cost concerns... so rockin' a Prius is out of the question.

Think of the drug dealers!

I thought drug dealers are more RR guys, since cross country capability is really useful in police chases?

q0192837465 05-26-2009 12:30 PM

so Japanese r smarter than Americans?

jlenko 05-26-2009 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by q0192837465 (Post 6438131)
so Japanese r smarter than Americans?

How many inbred redneck Japanese people do you know?

(Actually, maybe that explains the teeth...?)

FiveDime 05-26-2009 12:59 PM

Hummer Makes more gas milage than a prius

!LittleDragon 05-26-2009 05:40 PM

Know why the domestics don't have many hybrids? Toyota has a stranglehold on the patents required for hybrid technology. Ford gave up trying to build their own hybrid technology because they kept hitting these patent roadblocks. Instead, Ford traded their diesel technology with Toyota for their hybrid technology. What's in a Ford Hybrid is in a Toyota Hybrid. I believe Nissan uses Toyota technology too. If Toyota actually cared about the environment, they would've made this technology free for everyone to use.

orange7 05-26-2009 07:35 PM

does honda have its own hybrid? Then again, its hybrid isn't as efficient as toyotas.
Does any still remember those hybrid accords?

Rikaro 05-26-2009 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FiveDime (Post 6438159)

lol O RLY?

Timpo 05-26-2009 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by !LittleDragon (Post 6438551)
Know why the domestics don't have many hybrids? Toyota has a stranglehold on the patents required for hybrid technology. Ford gave up trying to build their own hybrid technology because they kept hitting these patent roadblocks. Instead, Ford traded their diesel technology with Toyota for their hybrid technology. What's in a Ford Hybrid is in a Toyota Hybrid. I believe Nissan uses Toyota technology too. If Toyota actually cared about the environment, they would've made this technology free for everyone to use.

ok...so what about Honda's hybrid?

The_AK 05-27-2009 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by orange7 (Post 6438707)
does honda have its own hybrid? Then again, its hybrid isn't as efficient as toyotas.
Does any still remember those hybrid accords?

see it every day, my neighboor has a silver one

!LittleDragon 05-27-2009 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timpo (Post 6439108)
ok...so what about Honda's hybrid?

I'm not going to type a long msg explaining to you the differences between Honda and Toyota's hybrid technologies. Here's a wiki, read it yourself.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_technology

wouwou 05-27-2009 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by !LittleDragon (Post 6439159)
I'm not going to type a long msg explaining to you the differences between Honda and Toyota's hybrid technologies. Here's a wiki, read it yourself.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_technology

I think he's point is more towards

if what you said is true, then how come Honda can develop a feasible hybird solution?

not the difference between hybird techs?

!LittleDragon 05-27-2009 12:45 PM

Maybe Honda's technology is different enough to get past Toyota's patents or maybe the IP laws in Japan are different? Or maybe Honda's paying Toyota royalties to use some of their patents? GM tried building their own hybrid technology but couldn't get the kind of mileage that Toyota has.

Manic! 05-27-2009 07:19 PM

[QUOTE=!LittleDragon;6438551 If Toyota actually cared about the environment, they would've made this technology free for everyone to use.[/QUOTE]

Maybe GM should have been working on Hybrid instead of having there head up there butts.

Shun Izaki 05-27-2009 07:54 PM

lol... screw GM... brand new cars and the door handles fall off hahaha...

!LittleDragon 05-27-2009 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 6440187)
Maybe GM should have been working on Hybrid instead of having there head up there butts.


They saw (as do I) hybrids as a transition technology to ween us off gasoline onto something else. Which is why they half assed their hybrids and threw their research money at plug in electric vehicles. Don't think that Toyota is raking it in with their Hybrids, I've heard they take a loss on each one they sell to get the technology out there while they work to get costs down. But that may be out of date information

BNR32_Coupe 05-27-2009 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jlenko (Post 6437812)
Yeah, but drug dealers don't have fuel cost concerns... so rockin' a Prius is out of the question.

Think of the drug dealers!

you got it all wrong, think of the cops. without heaty SUV's like this, how are they going to know who to pull over and vehicle search for doing 55kmph?

Presto 05-27-2009 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by !LittleDragon (Post 6440602)
Don't think that Toyota is raking it in with their Hybrids, I've heard they take a loss on each one they sell to get the technology out there while they work to get costs down.

Here's a official report on Toyota and Honda's hybrid profit. They have probably been making profit for quite awhile, too.

ctsport 05-29-2009 02:24 PM

Chrysler is a joke and GM is a lost cause, hopefully Ford and Tesla come out on top.

dark0821 05-29-2009 03:09 PM

ai... but if toyata does take over GM..would they actually change the name of the company.. xD


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