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Originally Posted by SumAznGuy  Video doesn't like, but it doesn't tell the absolute truth.
At no point in time is 5 officers charging at the guy and tacking him a good idea. What if in the struggle, one of the officer's gun's go off? What if the gun was snatched by the guy being tackled?
If you have taken any security type course, or police training, they will teach you that that is a bad idea.
Not to mention, the guy was upset before the police arrived. If they police tried to restrain him by attacking him, do you think the guy would curl up into a ball to be arrested or would he fight back? How do you know the guy was unarmed? What if he had a knife or a metal stapler? | Not to mention that when you get into a physical altercation, if someone falls awkwardly and breaks their neck, it is pretty much GG.
Would you want that to happen? How would the media and all you guys react then? "Why didn't they use non-lethal force like a tazer?" fucking hypocrites. Quote:
Originally Posted by Great68 They have these things you have to go through before you get on a plane, they're called security checks and they have these things called metal detectors... | Yeah, because no one makes mistakes. Because those guys at the security checks are so well trained and paid so much that they actually pay full attention to what they are doing on a daily basis. Quote:
Originally Posted by Sid Vicious I dunno bout you but ive watched cops...and they always restrain a victim by tackling him.
Not to mention your other point is moot. The gun cannot go off because their is a safety, and when 5 officers are taking down 1 person, i don't think hed have a chance to unbutton the holster then pull the gun down. | Yeah, watching "cops" is really how to obtain an accurate and clear idea of what cops do. Because you know, that stuff isn't selected and edited at all. Not to mention the show is an american portrayal of police and not a canadian one.
Guns have gone off with the safety on before. Though the circumstances and situation for that to happen is rare, it is possible. Like a tazer killing someone something that can happen but isn't designed to. It is actually relatively easy to take a gun out of the holster when you have 5 targets to get it from.
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Originally Posted by CRS Yeah, because no one makes mistakes. Because those guys at the security checks are so well trained and paid so much that they actually pay full attention to what they are doing on a daily basis. | Yeah because someone who plans to smuggle a knife onboard a plane is planning to use it 12 hours AFTER they get off.
They'd probably have to be the world's worst terrorists.
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06-15-2009, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Great68 Yeah because someone who plans to smuggle a knife onboard a plane is planning to use it 12 hours AFTER they get off.
They'd probably have to be the world's worst terrorists. | Yeah, because you know, the cops really had ALL THE INFO RIGHT FUCKING THERE AT THAT MOMENT.
Do you have any intelligent statements to make or are you just posting for the sake of it?
And FFS, AT THE VERY LEAST have a rebuttal for your "I'd rather get shot" statement.
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06-15-2009, 08:22 PM
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06-15-2009, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Great68 Kiss my rebuttal. | I accept your apology.
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06-15-2009, 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by CRS Not to mention that when you get into a physical altercation, if someone falls awkwardly and breaks their neck, it is pretty much GG.
Would you want that to happen? How would the media and all you guys react then? "Why didn't they use non-lethal force like a tazer?" fucking hypocrites. | Quoted for truth. 
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06-15-2009, 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by impactX I went to Singapore 2 weeks ago, when I was waiting at the customs hall at the Singapore Airport, a customs officer fucked up and opened a lane when not supposed to. People (visitors) including me rushed to that lane just to have the officer closed that lane again. Was I pissed? Hell yea.
The people, including me, then pondered for a while and went back to their previous lanes because they were smart enough to not do anything stupid in an airport like acting uncooperative, throwing stuff (computers) around, wielding a stolen stapler and resisting arrest.
And I am pretty sure that all my loved ones are smart enough not to do anything stupid when confronted by authorities in airports regardless of location and language barrier. | Bingo
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06-16-2009, 12:47 AM
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#58 | | reads most threads with his pants around his ankles, especially in the Forced Induction forum.
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Originally Posted by Great68 How the hell can anyone come to THAT conclusion?
If MY family member was unjustly killed by the RCMPosse I'd sure as hell make sure they got any disciplinary action coming to them. No amount of money can replace a loved one. | Sure we all l want justice if our love ones are kill. However from looking at the whole story the mom mostly wanted money. Again no money should be awarded if she only wanted true justce to be serve. Like you said the RCMP fuck up so those cops should get what they deverse.
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06-16-2009, 03:40 AM
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#59 | | y'all better put some respeck on my name
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06-16-2009, 04:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr.HappySilp Sure we all l want justice if our love ones are kill. However from looking at the whole story the mom mostly wanted money. Again no money should be awarded if she only wanted true justce to be serve. Like you said the RCMP fuck up so those cops should get what they deverse. | the mom only wanted money?! wtf are you talking about... were you watching the same series of events everyone elsee did? oO
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06-16-2009, 04:15 AM
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so what happened to the cop that also killed another motorist
while he was drunk driving?
That should get some good attention as well since Jimmy Ng's death rattled the public.
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06-16-2009, 08:47 PM
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06-19-2009, 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by CRS Tee hee | Tee Hee Indeed.
Ass raping email disclosure FTW.
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06-20-2009, 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Great68 Tee Hee Indeed.
Ass raping email disclosure FTW. | 
I love how you revive this thread for that reason. Somehow, I knew you would. I am very glad you did though.
Please, tell me how ANY of my points are no longer valid still. It will give me the opportunity to do some "ass raping FTW" style arguments.
Even if they discussed the use of tazers prior to the incident, it STILL does not mean the cops meant to kill him. So, please, explain to me how being shot is a better alternative to being tazed? I'm still waiting.
And to quote directly from the article, "Finally spoke to Wayne and he indicated that the members did not articulate that they saw the symptoms of excited delirium, but instead had discussed the response en route and decided that he did not comply that they would go to CEW."
If you are fucking stupid enough to throw a hissy fit in an AIRPORT and don't fucking do what the cops tell you to, you're up for the darwin awards. Yes, there were no translators but if you see 4 police officers coming towards you, what do you do? Throw more hissy fits and struggle? Yeah, give them a reason.
So I bring up the point yet again, what would have been a better alternative? Physical force and possibly getting more people injured/killed or being shot?
Oh that's right. If I am Great68, I would rather be shot.
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06-20-2009, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by CRS
I love how you revive this thread for that reason. Somehow, I knew you would. I am very glad you did though.
Please, tell me how ANY of my points are no longer valid still. It will give me the opportunity to do some "ass raping FTW" style arguments.
Even if they discussed the use of tazers prior to the incident, it STILL does not mean the cops meant to kill him. So, please, explain to me how being shot is a better alternative to being tazed? I'm still waiting. | IMO the issues is not so much that the person was tased. It's pretty obvious that people will prefer the use of non-lethal force.
The bigger issue is that they tased him 4 times. What's the RCMP's protocol for tasing? Keep shooting until you're satisfied?
And the fact that they planned it before hand means they did not want to assess the situation, rather, they just wanted to subdue the guy and GTFO.
Now is this how we want the law enforcement to treat everyone?
What if a person happened to be working on his yard (using a rake) and a pissy neighbour called that person in wrongfully. Is it justified that the police just come and start shooting tasers because they see the guy holding a rake ? (which could be used as a weapon) What are you guys gonna say? He shouldn't have been dumb enough to be holding a rake?
To the people arguing the use of tasers- you guys are being stupid. It is the better choice when trying to disarm someone. I'd rather be tased that be beaten by batons or shot. Being tased has a low chance of incurring injuries after the confrontation. However, the excessive use of taser is not acceptable. It's like beating someone, it's not lethal if it's a punch or two, but if you continuously beat on someone, they will eventually die. Just because a taser is considered as non-lethal doesn't mean they should abuse it. Doesn't matter if they meant to kill or not, point is they abused a power that they were entrusted with.
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Originally Posted by ecchiecchi IMO the issues is not so much that the person was tased. It's pretty obvious that people will prefer the use of non-lethal force.
The bigger issue is that they tased him 4 times. What's the RCMP's protocol for tasing? Keep shooting until you're satisfied?
And the fact that they planned it before hand means they did not want to assess the situation, rather, they just wanted to subdue the guy and GTFO.
Now is this how we want the law enforcement to treat everyone?
What if a person happened to be working on his yard (using a rake) and a pissy neighbour called that person in wrongfully. Is it justified that the police just come and start shooting tasers because they see the guy holding a rake ? (which could be used as a weapon) What are you guys gonna say? He shouldn't have been dumb enough to be holding a rake?
To the people arguing the use of tasers- you guys are being stupid. It is the better choice when trying to disarm someone. I'd rather be tased that be beaten by batons or shot. Being tased has a low chance of incurring injuries after the confrontation. However, the excessive use of taser is not acceptable. It's like beating someone, it's not lethal if it's a punch or two, but if you continuously beat on someone, they will eventually die. Just because a taser is considered as non-lethal doesn't mean they should abuse it. Doesn't matter if they meant to kill or not, point is they abused a power that they were entrusted with. | 1. Not if you're Grea68. He prefers to be shot.
2. Completely right. Cops fucked up right here and hugely too. But Dziekanski didn't make it any easier by continuing to struggle and by giving the cops a hard time.
3. No, they planned to use the tazer if the suspect did not comply. This is one of those situations that need to be handled ASAP. An airport is not a good place to incite panic. If you see someone going crazy and throwing a fit, you need to neutralize that immediately.
4. Terrible example. This situation is nothing like the one mentioned. The use of tazers or anything like that would not even be a possibility unless the person with the rake was waving and swingingly it at police.
5. Agreed. Well said.
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06-20-2009, 08:21 AM
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If cops tased him and he lived, they woulda got a nice pat on the back and this whole mess obviously wouldn't have happened. However since he died they are getting the blame.
But the blame should be on him for being an idiot in an airport of all places.
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06-20-2009, 12:22 PM
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^ if no one had videotaped it and he still died they probably would have got a pat on the back.
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06-20-2009, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Hondaracer ^ if no one had videotaped it and he still died they probably would have got a pat on the back. | +1
And this is what kinda of irks me about CRS posts. While I see your stance and your support for the police, its the fact that if their was no videotape ALL THESE inconsistency's with the case, all the lies, all the scandals would not have come to life if it weren't of the video. It irks me because we all know these situations are happening more often than we know, and they are not getting publicized. The cops have no right to be above the legal law, and yet this whole debacle has displayed the rcmp's stance on protecting its officers over owning up to its faults.
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06-20-2009, 02:51 PM
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Hmm.. I understand the reasoning behind the initial tazing (what an idiot Dziekanski was being inside an airport where security is at its highest). But don't the RCMP have protocols in place for people who resist arrest even after the first, or maybe second tazing?
Do they not understand that continued tazing, as stated before, can turn lethal very quickly if used continuously. They have no medical history of the subject (at least i didn't think so?) so what if they have some sort of condition which makes them susceptible to certain events due to electrical currents? (which obviously happened in this case..)
I'm confused as to why they couldn't come up with a alternative to arrest Dziekanski. After one or two tazings they must be affected somehow and weakened to a point where physical harm can arrest the person, am I wrong? And I guess that may be the whole point behind the controversy?
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06-20-2009, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Great68 | I accept your apology.
Again.
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06-20-2009, 05:41 PM
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#73 | | Hypa owned my ass at least once
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Originally Posted by chouchou Do they not understand that continued tazing, as stated before, can turn lethal very quickly if used continuously. They have no medical history of the subject (at least i didn't think so?) so what if they have some sort of condition which makes them susceptible to certain events due to electrical currents? (which obviously happened in this case..) | Restoring order ASAP in an airport is for the benefit of the masses, not the individual (Dziekanski). The police opted for the tazer as they are less lethal than other law enforcing equipment, but by less actually means, there is that small margin of error and Dziekanski fell in that.
There will always be margins of error but that doesn't mean you keep handicapping your law enforcers to eliminate the margins of error. Despite popular belief, not all police officers are corrupt, power hungry, authoritarians that is usually depicted on the media.
Dziekanski was just a bad accident. An accident he brought to himself. An accident that will never occur again as most people aren't that dumb.
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06-20-2009, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by CRS I accept your apology.
Again. | Awe aren't you a sweetie pie.
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06-20-2009, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Noir Dziekanski was just a bad accident. An accident he brought to himself. An accident that will never occur again as most people aren't that dumb. | We can only hope.
But based on what I read here, I think great68 might be one of the exceptions since he wants to get shot in the leg.
If anyone has any doubts to what CRS said about getting shot. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/1998/...pbc981128.html
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