Not that police are drawn to me, but:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_...Taser_incident
http://www.vancouversun.com/News/Van...935/story.html
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2003/...ce_030322.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3540725/

not to mention all the stories of American cops.


It's in my opinion that most cops are good people, but not all of them. Know your rights. I think a lot of people have become more weary of the police ever since the Robert Dziekanski thing.

Which could be countered with...if you have nothing to hide then way do you object to a search that would show exactly that? :)

I actually have a clean record. I have never been issued a ticket in my life. Just like many people on this forum, I do not believe in having my rights and violations tossed out the window.

Not only are you implying that anyone who dare stands up for themselves will be left with a permanent mark. You are assuming that anyone who seems to question your authority shall be punished.

If someone refuses to give you any information or to respond to you, then that is 100% their fault. I do not know anyone who would just not respond to an officer. That is an extreme case in point.


I am fed up with hearing how many people are being screwed and pushed over by Police officers. I will say it again, you are here to serve and protect. Just because I am pulled over for speeding does not mean that I am holding a bag of crack in my trunk and a loaded pistol in my waistband. I always stand up for myself and I am on guard for the cop. Just because an officer has bad judgment or has a bad day, can result in serious penalties for myself. An officer would be very focused to find something wrong with me, and I will study his actions and him with the same intensity.

Its answers like this that really disgust me. Taunting with your authority. I know that cops are people too, and you guys deal with this bs everyday. Just another reason why the public needs to be informed and educated about what is right and what is wrong.

What investigation techniques could you possibly be talking about?? Your statement makes no sence at all. So what are you talking about if I did not look like I just came from the gym, that why would I have a gym bag? I am wondering what you are referring to. Its not like you would be able to test the air in the trunk if it contained a drug particle or something like that. I am guessing you would be profiling the driver to some extent if the bags or articles in a trunk matched his current profile? I still do not even see why a cop would really need to see my trunk to check structural rigidity? Cause most cars rust from the inside out right?? WRONG!! You would only need to get on the ground and look under the vehicle. Or would that be to messy for you officer? I would think it would be easier for you to pop the trunk, instead of getting down and dirty. I have never seen a car rusted so bad in the trunk and be clean beneath the car. I would like to see how you would even justify popping my trunk to check the state of my car. A simple peak under the car would give you a better idea. It would also protect my privacy.

Ding ding ding!! This is where it really hits home. I am sure this is just the tip of the iceberg. The idea that we the public are constantly in breach of the law, and its so easy for you officers to come and ticket all of us. THe same can be said for officers. Sure you have IA, but so many times our rights are violated and who are we to question a peace officer?

No there is nothing like that. The US and Canadian law are very different!!

I don't care!! Why should I bend over and allow you to walk all over my rights and freedoms because you don't have enough grounds to proceed with a search? I will not consent to a search just to please you. If I have nothing to hide I will not have anymore of my time wasted. I am sure this really would tick you off to go and threaten me with some tight cuffs in the back of your cruiser. Or maybe a drug dog. Cops are great mind manipulators, you guys are great at scaring and taunting at people. People should be educated in what is right and what is wrong. This should be taught in schools. Ignorance of the law is not allowed. Education is key.

You guys hold the power to ruin my life, or my night. In this day of age, I would rather be informed and safe, then in the back of your cruiser.

You're exactly what Five-Oh was talking about when he said "I can't even count the number of times during traffic stops where a person has "exercised their rights" when they had no clue what they were talking about..."

To wit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_warning#Canada

The specific laws may be different, but certain basic Constitutional rights still have the same roots:

"The Fifth Amendment of the United States Constitution, which is part of the Bill of Rights, protects against abuse of government authority in a legal procedure. Its guarantees stem from English common law which traces back to the Magna Carta in 1215. For instance, Grand Juries and the phrase "due process" both trace their origin to the Magna Carta." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_A...s_Constitution)

"Section Thirteen of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms is a section of the Charter which, along with section 11 (c), specifies rights regarding self-incrimination.

It reads:
“ 13. A witness who testifies in any proceedings has the right not to have any incriminating evidence so given used to incriminate that witness in any other proceedings, except in a prosecution for perjury or for the giving of contradictory evidence. ”

Rights against self-incrimination had existed in Canadian law even before the Charter, but these applied to cases in which an individual might incriminate him or herself while giving testimony in another person's trial. Since the enactment of the Charter, the right has been extended in case law in regard to retrials, to exclude from one's retrial self-incriminating evidence if it had been obtained during cross examination in the last trial.[1]

This section is also similar the Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section...s_and_Freedoms)

To my understanding they are 2 very different rights and when they can be used or referred to are quite different. From my understanding the context from which they are used in are very different as well.

"Without disclosing investigational techniques, there are a huge number of indicators that something is not as it is being presented." is one answer. For the other you asked...see my previous postings on this subject.

I get the feeling that you have something against Police. Your postings here seem to contain an undercurrent of distrust and dislike for Police and laws, or leave that impression with me and the other Police here. This is a forum where civility is required by all parties. If you don't like the informed, experienced responses you get from us, then maybe you should avoid the frustration we seem to be giving you. That way you don't get stressed, nor will we. As with roadside discussions, nothing you say will make me change my mind, nothing I say will make you change yours. This way we are both happier. :)

Not trying to hi-jack this thread, but can cops actually ban you from a restaurant? Like if they say you're not allowed at a certain place because of the people you associate with? I met a buddy after 5-6 years (we went to school together) anyways he chose his way of life and I chose to stay in school. I ran into him at cactus and we were talking and then TGTF came and took my id and his, and told me I have to leave the establishment, even though i explained to them I was there to have dinner with my gf and this guy is just a friend from along time ago. Any way to fight this? Cactus food is pretty good!

Find another restaurant. Problem solved. Is it really worth the hassle of a possible confrontation?

I'd say choose your fights and this isn't one that is worth it.

cactus food sucks my friend...:rolleyes:

You think so? I love it man, the cajun chicken burger is the shit!:drool:drool

Release conditions can be applied to criminal charges and one could be that you not attend, or be withing a certain distance of, or communicate with...and there may be Civil restrictions that may be applied..but I know very little Civil law.

The property owner or their authorized rep can ask you to leave and if you don't you are committing an offence. So, in this case, the owner of the restaurant can ask the police to cause a customer that they don't want on the premises to leave and stay away. This is not a police power but delegated authority from the property owner.

Quick answer to your question, yes they can ban you as Cactus Club is a member of the Restaurant Watch program.

Restaurant watch is a spin-off of the Bar Watch program. With all of the gang related shootings recently many of the bars and restaurants in the Lower Mainland have decided they do not want any gang members or gang associates inside of their establishment. In order to ensure that there is nobody with gang ties in the place, the restaurant and bar owners have requested the police to remove anybody inside of the place with gang ties. Unfortunately for you, it looks like you were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

People get taken out of Cactus Club all the time under this program :D

Thanks to the LMD Members for your better-informed response. The only people that get banned from establishments over here...are over-caffeined Cops, from Timmys. :)

Although this is true, it's the police equivalent of a prenuptual agreement. If you love me and not just my money, you'd sign it. if you trust me, i wouldnt have to sign it.

A person may have nothing to hide, but that doesnt mean they're going to open all the gates and consent to all searches. I'm not about to pull the whole 'my grandfather fought for these rights blah blah blah", but rather simply state that those constitutional rights were included for a reason.

Just a quick question, too late to save me now but just wondering if i get pulled over for speeding ticket, can they ask me to pop my hood? After i popped my hood they said my car was unsafe because it had a jdm front end conversion when it was not. JDM cars are being brought over here now without changing anything in the front now anyways, so would I of just been able to say no to popping my hood?

A review of this forum will show you that Police are designated as vehicle inspectors...and they can inspect your vehicle...and that permits them to open you hood.

When did Canada become a police state?

If you have ever been to an actual "Police State", you would never say that. I was in East Germany before the wall came down...THAT was a Police State. People were executed, arrested without charge, tortured, beaten, all their posessions destroyed, terrified, followed everywhere by informers and the Stazi, sandbagged machine gun emplacements in public areas, complete absence of any rights at all and a legal system that had nothing but trials and imprisonment with no end for speaking out against the terror inflicted on the population. They even shot you down like a dog if you tried to escape this hell. Requiring you to have your vehicle meet minimum safety standards or AGREE to an INFORMED CONSENT search....is not even close. Take a reality check. I find it hard that everybody is missing the :) :) :) :) :) :) in my post.

When people chose to be shot at rather than tazed.

;)

:thumbsup:

I'm honoured to have a fan that follows me around the website.

:cool:

Things can always get worse and things can always get better. Which one do you choose?

It's not really a light hearted :) :) :) topic.

Tell that to all the people that got the random backpack searches during Victoria's Canada Day fireworks last year.

Like, if those people weren't drunk already, what possible way could you say "Well I thought they had liquor in their backpack, so the search was just".

If it wasn't for a complaint, the same thing would occur this year. Too bad the complaint has to be issued AFTER it happens, it's like closing the barn door after the cows have already left.

Once an officer feels he can do no wrong, that's a scary scenario because so many of the general public would not know any better and would get walked all over.

I'd get that head out of your ass.

If you're ever been on the police forum, I'm a frequent poster.

Ask Soundy or Zulu or even Skid, they can all tell you that I'm an active poster here.