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PNF 06-23-2009 09:51 AM

Canon 70-200mm f2.8 IS (or Non-IS) USM vs 70-200 f4 IS USM
 
Ok, I am not too sure which one to get and the rebates ends 7/11/2009.

here are the prices I can get for them, after rebates, 8% cashbacks, 8% coupons and what nots.

All in USD.

70-200mm f2.8 IS USM - $1400 shipped (would love this, but the weight AND price is holding me back)
70-200mm f2.8 non IS USM - $1150 shipped (thinking if this would be fast enough to cover the loss of IS for f4)

70-200 f4 IS USM - $1050 shipped. (current preference)

I am pretty sure that I would be using 70-200mm for outdoor shoot (a walk in the park shoot) 90% of the time. Sometimes, I am likely to do some shoots in the gym or pretty decent-lit interiors. So, my preference is to have an IS model.

But, I was testing the 70-200mm f2.8 non-IS at a shop just last weekend, and found out that, with the wider aperture at f2.8, I am able to shoot pretty sharp images at the mall (decent lighting) at 1/60 speed. (and its heavy!! and the f2.8 IS version is roughly another 0.5lb heavier?) So, i began to think if the f2.8 would compensate enough for the IS model of f4...

So, I guess my question is to those who have experience with the above glasses, what are your thoughts and experience? I know ALL of them are GREAT lens, but I am not sure if I want to shell out $1400 or just $1000-1100...

Senna4ever 06-23-2009 12:03 PM

The f4 is sharper than the f2.8, and the non-IS versions are sharper around the edges, as the IS changes the optical path of the light as it works. Turn off the IS, and they should be the same.

J____ 06-23-2009 02:38 PM

those are new prices? thats damn good for a 2.8L IS

77civic1200 06-23-2009 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J____ (Post 6478894)
those are new prices? thats damn good for a 2.8L IS

+1

Thats cheaper than most of the used prices by $300

What store are you getting these quotes from? reputable I hope?

PNF 06-23-2009 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senna4ever (Post 6478673)
The f4 is sharper than the f2.8, and the non-IS versions are sharper around the edges, as the IS changes the optical path of the light as it works. Turn off the IS, and they should be the same.

I am really concerned in "gym" photoshoot, where I'd need reatively fast lens, and I am not sure if f4 is fast enough..


Quote:

Originally Posted by J____ (Post 6478894)
those are new prices? thats damn good for a 2.8L IS

what do you mean new prices?

I found these prices on ebay, and the f4 IS price is $1025 shipped from B&H in New York, one of the largest distributor/store in the US.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...CA702004LIS&Q=


Quote:

Originally Posted by 77civic1200 (Post 6479034)
+1

Thats cheaper than most of the used prices by $300

What store are you getting these quotes from? reputable I hope?

I only buy from reputable sources, for sure, for I am afraid of warranty and quality issue. :)

Right now, the more reviews I am reading, the more I am leaning toward the f4 IS, which is both more economical + lighter weight, light enough for me to carry around.

f2.8 IS is literally twice as heavy as the f4 IS... :(

niforpix 06-23-2009 06:03 PM

What body are you gonna be using this lens with? If you camera can handle higher ISO pretty well, then I would go with the F4. I'd actually go with the F4 either way. Cheaper, lighter, sharper.

Meowjin 06-23-2009 06:16 PM

where you getting 8% cashback? I've only seen 3 so far.

J____ 06-23-2009 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PNF (Post 6479119)
I am really concerned in "gym" photoshoot, where I'd need reatively fast lens, and I am not sure if f4 is fast enough..




what do you mean new prices?

I found these prices on ebay, and the f4 IS price is $1025 shipped from B&H in New York, one of the largest distributor/store in the US.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...CA702004LIS&Q=




I only buy from reputable sources, for sure, for I am afraid of warranty and quality issue. :)

Right now, the more reviews I am reading, the more I am leaning toward the f4 IS, which is both more economical + lighter weight, light enough for me to carry around.

f2.8 IS is literally twice as heavy as the f4 IS... :(

new as in brand new lens. usually used f2.8 IS runs for 1800 ish...

MikesJo 06-23-2009 09:31 PM

I have the 70-200 2.8 non-is and it's just as sharp as my 50mm 1.4. It's the sharpest out of the lenses I have and it's a zoom! This is at 2.8 too. No sharpening required in pp.

PNF 06-24-2009 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J____ (Post 6479461)
new as in brand new lens. usually used f2.8 IS runs for 1800 ish...

you said "new price", so I thought there was an old price. Of course. All items I mentioned are sealed, brand new, with 1 year original manufacturers warranty.

$1800 for a USED f2.8 IS?? Thats a lot. Then again, we have rebates from Canon right now, and with all the live.com and sales, $1400-1500 for a brand new f2.8 IS can be obtained quite easily (until 7/12)

Quote:

Originally Posted by MajinHurricane (Post 6479163)
where you getting 8% cashback? I've only seen 3 so far.

I cant find the item that I have been checking. I guess the sale ended. (It was a Powerseller with 10,000+ (99.6%) feedback that sells for $1576 on the f2.8 IS.

This is another one I can find, but has a lot fewer rating (though its 100%)

I attached this picture is to show you the 8% on the top when I check out with Paypal, and another 8% coupon can be applied on my paypal account to claim another $100 off.

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/7964/16056519.jpg

But worst of worst is, I buy from B&H at $1599 shipped

f2.8 IS glass

This is the link for B&H for f4 IS $1025 shipped ! (1 day shipping as well)

f4 IS lens

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikesJo (Post 6479462)
I have the 70-200 2.8 non-is and it's just as sharp as my 50mm 1.4. It's the sharpest out of the lenses I have and it's a zoom! This is at 2.8 too. No sharpening required in pp.

are you sure? 50mm f1.4L is pretty sharp.... I dont have that glass (and I should have jumped on it when it was still $325 when my friend bought back in April!!!!) It is now $400... :(

Maybe you guys might want to consider ordering a glass and sent to Seattle and drive down and pick them up.. because I think the US prices are better?

Anyway, right now, I am almost almost almost on the verge of clicking that "add to my cart" at B&H for the $1025 f4 IS one.... especially since the one I have been watching is no longer available ($1300 ish f2.8 IS)

PNF 06-24-2009 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by niforpix (Post 6479152)
What body are you gonna be using this lens with? If you camera can handle higher ISO pretty well, then I would go with the F4. I'd actually go with the F4 either way. Cheaper, lighter, sharper.

I forgot to quote your message.

I have a 50D.

I usually keep my ISO around 300-400 interior wise, or up to 800 at most... anything higher than that, I find too much noise to my liking.. but i guess it depends which glass I was using and the situation.

PNF 06-24-2009 11:21 AM

err.. cant delete my double post...

Meowjin 06-24-2009 11:45 AM

ah ok. So far best I've found is 3% cashback with amazon, which means i can get a new d700 for ~2200 USD.

PNF 06-24-2009 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MajinHurricane (Post 6480251)
ah ok. So far best I've found is 3% cashback with amazon, which means i can get a new d700 for ~2200 USD.

Thats actually a very good deal for D700! I havent been checking Nikon since I switched to Canon.

Try live.com and search on ebay. Usually, you get 8% on ebay.

There are quite a few reputable ebay sellers with legit stores. I got my camera body (50D) on ebay just a couple months ago for only $900 (after my 8% + $100 off coupon) !!!!!!! (also includes 2 tripods, a camera bag)


PS. I have just placed an order on the f4 IS !! I cant wait!!:haha:

Thanks for your input. I hope this lens is as sharp as many people say it is. (I have 10 days to refund too if I dont like it. :) )


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