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goo3 08-05-2009 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ASG111 (Post 6534030)
yeah, so the metro crowed will have to skytrian to waterfront, then take 26 mins to go to richmond centre.. so maybe 1 hour total still?

i thought it would connect, fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

B-Line to Cambie @ Broadway? Don't know how long it is if you do it that way.

The_AK 08-05-2009 01:09 AM

At least these trains aren't as ugly as the previous skytrain.
Question:
So are these trains controlled by an actual human or are they controlled from a separate control center like the skytrain?

BNR32_Coupe 08-05-2009 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by The_AK (Post 6534276)
At least these trains aren't as ugly as the previous skytrain.
Question:
So are these trains controlled by an actual human or are they controlled from a separate control center like the skytrain?

control center like skytrain. overhead would be too much and meaningless for a train operator

ASG111 08-05-2009 01:32 AM

air con in these ones?

The_AK 08-05-2009 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by BNR32_Coupe (Post 6534279)
control center like skytrain. overhead would be too much and meaningless for a train operator

then i guess its safe to say Terrurstz aren't gonna hijack our skytrains and crash them into the airport

/mixed feelings

CRS 08-05-2009 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ASG111 (Post 6534290)
air con in these ones?

Yes!

This one and the old newer ones have it.

It is only the old ass block shaped ones that do not have aircon and that blasts heat year round.

sh0n 08-05-2009 07:29 AM

I'm stoked for this opening. I'm a lover of all rapid and mass transit.

One thing I don't understand and agree with the RS crowd is how come they didn't build a station that connects straight to the Expo / Millennium line.

It kinda seems counter intuitive that you have to go to waterfront first and then backtrack on the Expo line to go to Vancouver East / Burnaby / Surrey area. I can understand the waterfront station as it feeds into North Vancouver and into Mission for the west coast express

What they should have done was built the current waterfront station and also expand the Granville station into a hub that meets with the Canada line

There are pros and con's I guess - cause it would be a triple bottle neck for the Granville station - but still any other metro city in the world would have the station to be the closest / less travel distance if possible. You shouldn't have to travel further and then backtrack - seems like a waste of time

CRS 08-05-2009 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by sh0n (Post 6534417)
I'm stoked for this opening. I'm a lover of all rapid and mass transit.

One thing I don't understand and agree with the RS crowd is how come they didn't build a station that connects straight to the Expo / Millennium line.

It kinda seems counter intuitive that you have to go to waterfront first and then backtrack on the Expo line to go to Vancouver East / Burnaby / Surrey area. I can understand the waterfront station as it feeds into North Vancouver and into Mission for the west coast express

What they should have done was built the current waterfront station and also expand the Granville station into a hub that meets with the Canada line

There are pros and con's I guess - cause it would be a triple bottle neck for the Granville station - but still any other metro city in the world would have the station to be the closest / less travel distance if possible. You shouldn't have to travel further and then backtrack - seems like a waste of time

Bingo!

They should have added connections from Broadway and another from Edmonds. That would be the most efficient but it would also cause the most havoc to build. It would also make Broadway into a true hub and it could simply just add it to the millennium line.

Since it the millennium line really only goes to VCC, now it COULD go to the airport as well as possibly along broadway to UBC.

Tapioca 08-05-2009 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sh0n (Post 6534417)
One thing I don't understand and agree with the RS crowd is how come they didn't build a station that connects straight to the Expo / Millennium line.

It kinda seems counter intuitive that you have to go to waterfront first and then backtrack on the Expo line to go to Vancouver East / Burnaby / Surrey area. I can understand the waterfront station as it feeds into North Vancouver and into Mission for the west coast express

What they should have done was built the current waterfront station and also expand the Granville station into a hub that meets with the Canada line

Pacific Centre will act as a semi-hub between the Canada Line and Expo Line. You can walk underground between the two lines through the mall. Obviously, Translink had to cut costs somewhere because a sensible solution would have cost more.

Instead of extending the Millenium Line all the way to UBC, Translink should just focus on getting it to Cambie/Broadway. If the Evergreen Line is built, this would give people in East Van, Burnaby, and the Tri-Cities a rapid connection to the Airport. Population growth is mainly to the east of Vancouver anyway. But, other than a deep tunnel, I don't know where else they would lay down the tracks beyond VCC.

asian_XL 08-05-2009 08:28 AM

they seriously need to consider installing screen doors...it's fucking unsafe without them

http://pslink.co.kr/eng/img/pro/img1.jpg

hotjoint 08-05-2009 08:43 AM

So if you're coming from surrey, you have to go to waterfront then get onto another skytrain that goes to the airport?

Chairman Kaga 08-05-2009 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by hotjoint (Post 6534460)
So if you're coming from surrey, you have to go to waterfront then get onto another skytrain that goes to the airport?

Yes

Tapioca 08-05-2009 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by asian_XL (Post 6534450)
they seriously need to consider installing screen doors...it's fucking unsafe without them

http://pslink.co.kr/eng/img/pro/img1.jpg

Installing these throughout the system would be a waste of money, IMHO. It's not like we're having people fall onto the tracks every day. The accidents that have occured have been people who have chosen to jump. We don't have the passenger volumes like HK, Tokyo, etc. to justfiy these.

At most, we would have them at select stations like Broadway and Metrotown.

Qmx323 08-05-2009 10:19 AM

RS MEET AT ABERDEEN STATION? WE CAN ALL GO TAKE STICKY PICS AFTER KEKEKEKE ^^

tgill 08-05-2009 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by hotjoint (Post 6534460)
So if you're coming from surrey, you have to go to waterfront then get onto another skytrain that goes to the airport?

yes canada line is a seperate station/platform inside waterfront hub

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Originally Posted by Tapioca (Post 6534563)
Installing these throughout the system would be a waste of money, IMHO. It's not like we're having people fall onto the tracks every day. The accidents that have occured have been people who have chosen to jump. We don't have the passenger volumes like HK, Tokyo, etc. to justfiy these.

At most, we would have them at select stations like Broadway and Metrotown.

not possible on existing lines because the mk1 (box style cars) have doors in different locations and they are going to refurbish them for use til 2030. Plus the new cars mk2, are currently using the A-B config but planning to add a middle car so A-C-B, doors would limit any expansion. Canada Line it is possible however because the built it cheap and no room for expansion beyond 50m.

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Originally Posted by Tapioca (Post 6534433)
Pacific Centre will act as a semi-hub between the Canada Line and Expo Line. You can walk underground between the two lines through the mall. Obviously, Translink had to cut costs somewhere because a sensible solution would have cost more.

Instead of extending the Millenium Line all the way to UBC, Translink should just focus on getting it to Cambie/Broadway. If the Evergreen Line is built, this would give people in East Van, Burnaby, and the Tri-Cities a rapid connection to the Airport. Population growth is mainly to the east of Vancouver anyway. But, other than a deep tunnel, I don't know where else they would lay down the tracks beyond VCC.

any millennium line extension is 10years down the road, westside treehugers and anti anything think that skytrain is terrible and want the government to build LIGHT RAIL on broadway (streetcar, SF Muni) which will take 2 lanes from broadway and be limited to traffic law 50km/h, traffic lights. TERRIBLE

-TURNSTILES (everystation) and distance based smartcard are going in NEXT YEAR
- Existing renos are a go for Main Street and Metrotown are in for a drastic change after olympics including platform extensions, and new bus loop in metros case.
- SURREY expansion for expo line is a go after evergreen starts contruction
- Evergreen is a go for real SKYTRAIN after consultation and the sorts is done

brianau9 08-05-2009 12:19 PM

who are u Tgill? do u work for protrans

StylinRed 08-05-2009 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tgill (Post 6533686)
just so you guys know canada line is operated by private contractor PROTRANSIT (for 30 years) who are paid by translink based on performance.

The trains are traditional rail using physical brakes and slower accelerations, skytrain has no motors and uses magnets to move and brake.

i didnt know that, that sucks

they should add another route connecting the richmond station to New West or Surrey and bring the skytrain out to maple ridge :)

RFlush 08-05-2009 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by StylinRed (Post 6533491)
i love how everbody who is able has their hand out asking/demanding more money saying how there isn't enough for them to operate... yet its been operating fine for decades and decades off of taxes

and taxes(and tax revenue) has gone up more than inflation

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Originally Posted by StylinRed (Post 6534713)
i didnt know that, that sucks

they should add another route connecting the richmond station to New West or Surrey and bring the skytrain out to maple ridge :)



OH THE FUCKING IRONY

Tapioca 08-05-2009 01:16 PM

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any millennium line extension is 10years down the road, westside treehugers and anti anything think that skytrain is terrible and want the government to build LIGHT RAIL on broadway (streetcar, SF Muni) which will take 2 lanes from broadway and be limited to traffic law 50km/h, traffic lights. TERRIBLE

Light Rail is a dead end unless streets are constructed with a dedicated centre lane from the start.

Quote:

-TURNSTILES (everystation) and distance based smartcard are going in NEXT YEAR
- Existing renos are a go for Main Street and Metrotown are in for a drastic change after olympics including platform extensions, and new bus loop in metros case.
Turnstiles and a distance-based SmartCard are long overdue, though I can see opposition from those who travel long distances and will end up paying more per trip.

I use the system on a daily basis and ideally, I think the platforms at Metrotown and Broadway should be twinned. There is way too much traffic on the centre platform for both stations. It would probably cost several million dollars to do this though.

BTW, the new Mark II cars are pretty nice. Lit station maps and less seating for more standees. Hopefully we'll see Translink use double cars for all runs soon.

Great68 08-05-2009 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tgill (Post 6533686)
skytrain has no motors and uses magnets to move and brake.

I'm a nitpicker...

They do have a motor, called a linear induction motor... It's like a regular AC motor with its stator rolled flat.

This is different in operation to "mag lev" trains.

Mugen EvOlutioN 08-05-2009 01:54 PM

meh dont care


useless for me

StylinRed 08-05-2009 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RFlush (Post 6534734)
OH THE FUCKING IRONY

not really at all

the funding/money earned by these outlets should be enough for operating costs and to save for new projects

you think they're just breaking even? puh lease

tgill 08-05-2009 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by brianau9 (Post 6534707)
who are u tGill? do u work for protrans

I cant say much more than I work for the MoT ;)

twitchyzero 08-05-2009 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by hotjoint (Post 6534460)
So if you're coming from surrey, you have to go to waterfront then get onto another skytrain that goes to the airport?

get off at broadway station then take 99 b-line to the city hall station. b-lines run every 3-5min during peak hours

tgill 08-05-2009 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by StylinRed (Post 6534816)
not really at all

the funding/money earned by these outlets should be enough for operating costs and to save for new projects

you think they're just breaking even? puh lease

in Boston they have a state run transportation agency, recieves 1% of 5% state TAX = 8 billion dollars in debt.

translink legally cannot run a deficit, would you like them to grow money trees?
CANADA LINe, new skytrain lines, ontop of that hundreds of new buses, major station renovations, and new MK2 bombardier trains. + they manage the roads, GOLDEN EARS BRIDGE?, coast meridian overpass bridge.

maybe translink should just not build the new pattullo bridge?
if the federal and provincial government fully funded capital expenditures (like they did with expo and millennium lines) translink wouldn't need another 400 million


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