VPD Officer charged with Incest & Sexual Assault

[SumAznGuy]

Originally Posted by nns

I just want to quote The7even again, because what he said carries a lot of weight. Some of you guys with your brick brains should try to understand what he said:

While I agree with most of what you said, unfortunately, this time I will have to disagree with The7even. I cannot agree with everyone gets to go on paid leave. Most of the time when we hear about it, it is the people who work in unions that get to go on paid leave. But there are some jobs that I have been at where a person is placed on suspension without pay pending investigation. Which is why I can see that everyone is upset about that.

Besides that, I agree with everything else. Carry on.

[MyPresIzBlack]

Originally Posted by TRD604

stupid ass cops

arent you trying to be a stupid ass cop?...

[Noir]

Originally Posted by SumAznGuy

While I agree with most of what you said, unfortunately, this time I will have to disagree with The7even. I cannot agree with everyone gets to go on paid leave. Most of the time when we hear about it, it is the people who work in unions that get to go on paid leave. But there are some jobs that I have been at where a person is placed on suspension without pay pending investigation. Which is why I can see that everyone is upset about that.

Without the pre-assumption of guilt, what if the investigation reveals that the charges are false, baseless, or frivolous?



(disclaimer: not discussing the Original content of incest. Just discussing the merits of Leave w/ Pay vs. Leave w/o Pay)

[SumAznGuy]

Originally Posted by Noir

Without the pre-assumption of guilt, what if the investigation reveals that the charges are false, baseless, or frivolous?

That is a very good question, and I would venture a guess a question that we will never know the true answer to.

What happens when someone is found guilty, sentenced to prison and then years down the road their appeal is sucessful. Do they get any compensation?

On the flip side, if the person was on paid leave, does the employer get their money back if the employee was found at fault?

Interesting, looking up BC labour laws, there is nothing about whether or not an employee will be placed on paid or unpaid leave pending an investigation. I guess in the end, it comes down to the employer or union.

[iEatClams]

First off, this post is off-topic and I'm not responding to the story/police officer in question. And the following is regarding the RCMP in general/as a whole.

Originally Posted by Noir

So what side of the fence are you? Because if you're not just saying you're pro-police but agree that are areas of improvements, well you can say that with just about every professional entity on the face of the earth.

*construction
*politics
*food & service
etc.

Why can't I sit on the fence? what's wrong with that. Usually the correct answers are not on the extremes, but are somewhere along the middle of the spectrum.

Growing up I was probably pro-police, but nowadays I gonna have to say I encourage the anti-police remarks and I applaud all the dumbasses that hate cops.

One of the posters on here always wants to know WHY?
so Why?

First, police officers are one of the most important positions in our society. So we need to make sure it functions efficiently and properly.

No one needs to prove that we don't need cops. Saying things like " we dont need cops" is just stupid. . . . Because we need them. Period.

The reason I love all the anti-cop remarks is because that's a method of trying to improve the RCMP. Our interests with us paying them our tax dollars is that we want to make sure we have a competent force that can do their duties. I can already see the rebuttal of, 'well they would be better off if dumbasses stop hating on them'

But right now the police officers are fucking too stubborn to see that they have flaws and want to correct them. They know they this powerful essential profession.

If no one criticizes the monitors, or people on top, then that leads room for more corruption and actions that are not in the best interests of the civilians.
It's a way of not giving them too much power.

That's what's great about Canada, because we can criticize the people in powerful positions. Otherwise they will just do whatever the fuck they want.


Without the anti-cop remarks, the cops will get off anytime they fuck up, when they make a huge mistake, commite a crime/corruption. But with all the people willing to critizie them if they fuck up, then it puts more pressure on them not to fuck up.

Originally Posted by bengy

Gotta love RCMP nuthuggers....

Just because you hear of one incident once in a while in the newspapers, doesn't mean shit doesn't happen on a daily basis. It's just that once in a while they do get caught red handed, and that's when you hear about it.

A lot of it doesn't get reported becuase the victim has no evidence against the cops too and wouldn't hold in court and are afraid of the reprecussions, or are just to scared. If you were a innocent teenage kid who got beat up by a twisted police officer who went on a power trip, but you don't have any evidence then you're screwed.

Originally Posted by The7even

The same way you don't hear anything about when they save a life.. which is every single day.

It's part of their jobs, doctors save more lives everyday, but you don't hear about it either. If we post that everytime someone saves a life on the newspaper, media and all everyday there would be no room for anything else. The media is a business - i wont go furhter into this.

But however, people want to know when they are being screwed by people they are suppose to trust (cops). Thus, all the anger that comes after when the cops do fuck up.

Originally Posted by nns

You guys who keep claiming the cops are corrupt/evil/the devil/etc (OK, no one called the cops "evil" or "the devil", but i'm sure someone is going to use that against me to further derail the topic) wouldn't sound like morons if you provided some reasoning behind your arguments and allegations.

I don't know how many times I've asked those who hate the cops state WHY they hate the cops, instead of just posting some BS like the following:

I don't really care if I get flamed for this, it's just an online forum.

Originally Posted by TRD604
stupid ass cops

very true

----- a lot of them are fucking stupid, you're regular (the ones we see all the time) cops have a low mean, and low standard deviation when it comes to intellect.
The detectives and some other specialized units are a bit brighter.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vansterdam
fuck the police

seen cops jack stashes for personal use

also seen cops do illegal search and seizures

fuck the police is right!
yup, happens all the time. it's the question whose gonna be monitoring the monitors.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 124Y
This is what they do besides eating donuts and handing out speeding tickets.

Quote:
Originally Posted by hotjoint
corruption...

that's why you never rob a bank near a tim-hortons.
anyone ever notice the huge gathering on victoria and kingsway. haha

there's some truth to stereotypes. . .

I can't go against giving out the speeding tickets. They're just upholding the law and doing their job. You can't get mad at them for giving u the ticket. This is where I actually side with the nut-huggers.

The only argument here is if there's a scenario where a cop is going on a powertrip and gives you a ticket for going 55 on a 50 with no other cars around. Then yea, fucking COPS!



Anyways, there will always be people that defend cops, and people that hate on them. It's almost impossible to change so that just the way it is.

[bengy]

Originally Posted by Noir

Without the pre-assumption of guilt, what if the investigation reveals that the charges are false, baseless, or frivolous?



(disclaimer: not discussing the Original content of incest. Just discussing the merits of Leave w/ Pay vs. Leave w/o Pay)

Cops wouldn't get suspended for baseless or frivolous charges. From what we've seen they get suspended for driving under the influence and running over people, beating up people downtown while drunk, and for fucking their sisters / brothers...

[nns]

azndude69, thanks for your post.

Your posts have some constructive criticism. Although we many not eye-to-eye on the issue, I believe constructive criticism is what the police force needs as well.

I don't support the kids/adults on here who are spouting the "fuck the police" attitude all the time because that is not constructive. So you hate the police, what do you think they should do to change? Nothing? No other opinions you want to share? Is that it, "fuck the police"? I can't take someone seriously when all they do is curse and complain - it's like watching a child throw a tantrum. Note, I am not criticizing you, azndude69.

Most people on here are adults, is it too hard for them to conduct themselves as such? If you want your posts and opinions to be taken seriously, you need to compose your thoughts like a grown-up. The fact is, too many people here don't realize how foolish and ignorant they are, so their venting does nothing but annoy people like me who encourage useful dialogue.

I believe what you're looking for is accountability. The police need to report to an entity, so as not to believe that they (the police) have free reign to do whatever they want in whatever manner. Here's a constructive idea that I would appreciate to hear: how about the province form an independent entity that operates separate investigations involving the conduct of the police?

See, that's not hard.

[SumAznGuy]

Originally Posted by nns

Most people on here are adults, is it too hard for them to conduct themselves as such?

Sorry nns, but this is revscene. It's much simpler to say fuck the police than to come up with a well thought out and properly written essay on why they feel that way.

That's why we have the engrish nazi's that go around making fun and correcting people's mistakes.

[The7even]

Originally Posted by SumAznGuy

While I agree with most of what you said, unfortunately, this time I will have to disagree with The7even. I cannot agree with everyone gets to go on paid leave. Most of the time when we hear about it, it is the people who work in unions that get to go on paid leave. But there are some jobs that I have been at where a person is placed on suspension without pay pending investigation. Which is why I can see that everyone is upset about that.

Besides that, I agree with everything else. Carry on.

I understand your POV. But you have to understand something.

It's either Innocent until proven guilty or guilty until proven innocent. Which society would you rather live in?
What if tomorrow someone accuses you of child molestation. It could happen because innocents get accused all the time.
Would you rather that people hold you viable and throw you away in jail without pay (which is what you need to survive) or hold you on paid suspension. You get paid while you await trial and then when you're found innocent you carry on.
It's the right way, it's the only way. There is no in between.

[The7even]

Originally Posted by azndude69

It's part of their jobs, doctors save more lives everyday, but you don't hear about it either. If we post that everytime someone saves a life on the newspaper, media and all everyday there would be no room for anything else. The media is a business - i wont go furhter into this.

But however, people want to know when they are being screwed by people they are suppose to trust (cops). Thus, all the anger that comes after when the cops do fuck up.

Heres why you're wrong.

Doctors aren't going into the fucking line of fire for your ass. Doctors are NOT risking their lives when they ... Are you.. did you even fucking think before you decided to compare Doctors to Cops?

And you're also supposed to trust your god damn doctor with your well being. Do you hear people go 'fuck the doc's' because of malpractice? No you don't. Do you hear anybody going 'fuck the doctors' because one of them becomes one of those angel of death types and kills 20-30 elderly folks? No.

I love debating with you for the following reasons

1)I always get to show how stupid your reasoning is
2)You seem to lack a super human ability i call common sense and you keep making an ass of your self.

P.S. I think you're mad at the police because your 'N' Drivers license is getting you pulled over a whole lot ain't it cowboy?

[SumAznGuy]

Originally Posted by The7even

I understand your POV. But you have to understand something.

It's either Innocent until proven guilty or guilty until proven innocent. Which society would you rather live in?
What if tomorrow someone accuses you of child molestation. It could happen because innocents get accused all the time.
Would you rather that people hold you viable and throw you away in jail without pay (which is what you need to survive) or hold you on paid suspension. You get paid while you await trial and then when you're found innocent you carry on.
It's the right way, it's the only way. There is no in between.

Generally speaking, the law is innocent until proven guilty except when it comes to the motor vehicle act/code and sex crimes.

*IF* I get accused of inappropriate touching, 1 of 2 things have/will happen.
a) I did the crime and become some bad mans GF.
b) didn't do it but my name has been tarnished and whenever I get pulled over by the police, my name shows up in their system and a flag appears as well as I will be forever known as one of those people who are "known" to the police. While I "may" be found not guilty, I by no means will be "innocent" in the eyes of the victims. This is the system protecting the *innoect* people.

And, if I am found not guilty because I didn't touch that little girl, I am definately looking at who I can sue to get my life back. Worse case scenario, I am taking them and the police to civil court for lost wages (past, present, and future) and all the pain and suffering as well as legal fees.

Going back to what I was quoting, it was the part where you said

And lastly , whoever said that he hates it that the cop is on paid leave..
you ought to get really upset when you learn that you live in a democracy where you're innocent until proven guilty. How would you compensate the monetary loss to him if he's proven to be innocent? That is why he's on paid leave, so that the investigation may go on and he is right now not guilty of anything. The same rule applies to everyone, no matter what their profession.

The point I was trying to make was that not everyone is put on paid leave under this circumstance. It happens with the police and teachers because of their union's collective agreement with the employer, but not everyone get's such privillages.

[The7even]

Originally Posted by SumAznGuy

The point I was trying to make was that not everyone is put on paid leave under this circumstance. It happens with the police and teachers because of their union's collective agreement with the employer, but not everyone get's such privillages.

Thank's.. I actually didn't know that.
I can understand what you're trying to say now.
You do have a point.

[scenerev]

The7even,

You're one angry white dude, you need to chill out. Quit being so sensitive.

[iEatClams]

Originally Posted by nns

azndude69, thanks for your post.

Your posts have some constructive criticism. Although we many not eye-to-eye on the issue, I believe constructive criticism is what the police force needs as well.

I don't support the kids/adults on here who are spouting the "fuck the police" attitude all the time because that is not constructive. So you hate the police, what do you think they should do to change? Nothing? No other opinions you want to share? Is that it, "fuck the police"? I can't take someone seriously when all they do is curse and complain - it's like watching a child throw a tantrum. Note, I am not criticizing you, azndude69.

Most people on here are adults, is it too hard for them to conduct themselves as such? If you want your posts and opinions to be taken seriously, you need to compose your thoughts like a grown-up. The fact is, too many people here don't realize how foolish and ignorant they are, so their venting does nothing but annoy people like me who encourage useful dialogue.

I believe what you're looking for is accountability. The police need to report to an entity, so as not to believe that they (the police) have free reign to do whatever they want in whatever manner. Here's a constructive idea that I would appreciate to hear: how about the province form an independent entity that operates separate investigations involving the conduct of the police?

See, that's not hard.

Appreciate the thanks.
I can see what your trying to say with the fuck the police comments.

And yes to accountability.

[iEatClams]

Originally Posted by The7even

Heres why you're wrong.

Doctors aren't going into the fucking line of fire for your ass. Doctors are NOT risking their lives when they ... Are you.. did you even fucking think before you decided to compare Doctors to Cops?

And you're also supposed to trust your god damn doctor with your well being. Do you hear people go 'fuck the doc's' because of malpractice? No you don't. Do you hear anybody going 'fuck the doctors' because one of them becomes one of those angel of death types and kills 20-30 elderly folks? No.

I love debating with you for the following reasons

1)I always get to show how stupid your reasoning is
2)You seem to lack a super human ability i call common sense and you keep making an ass of your self.

P.S. I think you're mad at the police because your 'N' Drivers license is getting you pulled over a whole lot ain't it cowboy?

I'm mad, trying looking at yourself. you need to fucking relax man.

I'm actually laughing pretty hard while writing this here as I think you're a fucking joke.

Why do you have to prove other people that they're wrong?? . .

On another note, I won't give out my age, but I've actually had my full license for 7 years now, so you can guess the range. I've had a ticket before but it's been like what? 5 years since? WTF are you talking about???

[Noir]

Originally Posted by SumAznGuy

The point I was trying to make was that not everyone is put on paid leave under this circumstance. It happens with the police and teachers because of their union's collective agreement with the employer, but not everyone get's such privillages.

That being said, isn't the bigger societal flaw that not everyone is entitled to this privilege rather than denying everyone this particular privilege out of fairness?

[SumAznGuy]

Originally Posted by Noir

That being said, isn't the bigger societal flaw that not everyone is entitled to this privilege rather than denying everyone this particular privilege out of fairness?

That depends on who or which group of people you ask.

Is it fair that I work 60+ hours a week to barely afford a bachlor unit in Coquitlam while joe blow druggie get's to live downtown in a subsidized housing unit when he decides he has had enough and tries to clean up?

Life isn't fair, learn to suck it up or else you are gonna stress yourself to death over it.

Personally, is it a flaw? yes in the sense that I still don't think they should be allowed to go on paid leave, just like the Bacon sister's dad shouldn't have been allowed to go on paid leave because there was a hit out for his 3 daughters.

Especially since he obviously has money given that he had a Acura TL, and a few other toys under his name (bullet proof 7 series)

[The7even]

Originally Posted by azndude69

I'm mad, trying looking at yourself. you need to fucking relax man.

I'm actually laughing pretty hard while writing this here as I think you're a fucking joke.

Why do you have to prove other people that they're wrong?? . .

On another note, I won't give out my age, but I've actually had my full license for 7 years now, so you can guess the range. I've had a ticket before but it's been like what? 5 years since? WTF are you talking about???

The7even,

You're one angry white dude, you need to chill out. Quit being so sensitive.

No.

I actually type everything out while raging mad, banging my hands against the keyboard and with such force that my key strokes send out seismic waves capable of giving your mother the orgasm your daddy could never provide.

Yep, a mom joke. I'm old school like that.