Why can't your carry a discussion without belittling and insulting people all the time? What the fuck is wrong with you?

The people promoting the vegan diet due to animal cruelty are completely oblivious to the true suffering of the Third World.

They quote that 150,000 male chicks die from this industrial process.

As I've written elsewhere on another thread, 5,000,000 Africans in the Congo region have died since 1980 due to repeated civil war with next to no international intervention.

How was I belittling anyone? I simply disputed every point worth disputing. The rest is propoganda bullshit. What the fuck is wrong with you?

The style in which you choose to portray your thoughts is quite condescending.

Unfortunately, millions of Canadians and Americans DO consume preserved meats. Are you actually going to argue that Sodium Nitrites are safe to eat? There is EXTENSIVE scientific literature that says otherwise. I'll just quote wiki for something simple.

"Sodium nitrite is commonly added to bacon, ham, hot dogs, luncheon meats, smoked fish, and corned beef to stabilize the red color and add flavor. The preservative prevents growth of bacteria, but studies have linked eating it to various types of cancer. "This would be at the top of my list of additives to cut from my diet," says Christine Gerbstadt, M.D., M.P.H., R.D., L.D.N., a spokesperson for the American Dietetic Association. "Under certain high-temperature cooking conditions such as grilling, it transforms into a reactive compound that has been shown to promote cancer."[11]"

I went travelling for four months, and had a chance to eat a freshly slaughtered NATURAL chicken in Indonesia. It tastes COMPLETELY different than the shit that is sold on our shelves here. It's fucking delicious actually.

If you want to see the effects of carbon monoxide treatments to red meats:
http://www.startribune.com/politics/.../11826846.html

http://i.treehugger.com/files/meat.jpg

Both these steaks are 13 days old. One's been treated with Carbon Monoxide, the other has not. How the hell do you tell if the treated one is 13 days old and if it's actually fresh?

Excerpt:
"To put it bluntly," Stupak said, "the sole purpose of carbon monoxide packaging is to fool consumers into believing that the meat and fish they buy is fresh, no matter how old it is and no matter how decayed it might be."

If you want to put shit in your body, please go ahead, no thanks for me.

What propoganda? Please refute what I just said about nitrites and meat alteration via carbon monoxide.

Shit dude. You are actually going to compare vegetarians as a religion? What do they worship? Where's the holy scripture? Where's the church.

Vegetarianism is a WAY OF LIFE, a DIET.


What's unproven propaganada:

-That Monsanto created Prosilac?
-That prosilac (rBGH) is injected into millions of cows in the USA so increase the cow's milk production?
-Prosilac does cause inflammation of cow mammory glands, thus pus to develop due to overstimulation of the mammory glands?

"Pesticide company Monsanto markets the genetically engineered hormone rBST (recombinant Bovine Somatotropin; also known as: rbST; rBGH, recombinant Bovine Growth Hormone; and the brand name Prosilac) to dairy farmers who inject it into their cows to increase milk production. This product is not approved for use in many jurisdictions, including Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Canada and Japan. Even Monsanto accepts that rBST leads to mastitis (inflammation and pus in the udder) and other “cow health problems”, however, it maintains that “these problems did not occur at rates that would prohibit the use of Prosilac” (Monsanto). A European Union study identified an extensive list of health concerns of rBST use (European Commission). The US Dairy Export Council however entertain no doubt. In their background document they ask “is milk from cows treated with rBST safe?” and answer “Absolutely” (USDEC). Meanwhile, Monsanto’s website raises and answers the question: “Is the milk from cows treated with rbST any different from milk from untreated cows? No” (Monsanto). Injecting cows with genetically modified hormones to boost their milk production remains a contested practice, banned in many countries."

SHIT OF COURSE the US Dairy council is going to tell you that it's safe! But I digress. I'm just glad that rBGH is outlawed in Canada.

-The fact that we constantly consume sick animals?

From: http://www.rense.com/general38/pus.htm (with 65 references)

"Dairy products were the foods most often recalled by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) from the period October 1, 1993 through September 30, 1998 because of contamination with infectious agents, mostly bacteria. (2)

They are commonly tainted with disease-causing bacteria, such as salmonella, staphylococci, listeria, deadly E. coli O1573 and Mycobacterium paratuberculosis (4) (possibly one of the agents causing Crohn's disease; a form of life-threatening chronic colitis), as well as viruses known to cause lymphoma and leukemia-like diseases, and immune deficiency in cattle.

AIDS and Leukemia Viruses Dairy cattle are infected with bovine immunodeficiency viruses (BIV) and bovine leukemia viruses (BLV), worldwide. (Bovine immunodeficiency viruses can also be properly referred to as bovine AIDS viruses.)

In the United States, results show an average 40% of beef herds and 64% of dairy herds are infected with BIV. (5)
In Canada (6-7), the infection rate is 70% and in Argentina (8) the rate is 84% for BLV. "


Do not want.


I know where you're coming from. At this point I should say that I am not against meat-eating. If you live in a cave in the middle of nowhere, you very well have a right to hunt and eat whatever you need to survive.

But I am VERY anti-meat production and factory farming in our supposed "modern society." And I'm tired of the labelling of all vegetarians as crazy or unintelligent.

In Japan you can eat real chicken tataki from a chicken slaughtered minutes before. Here, eating chicken tataki runs a risk of salmonella poisoning. Eat rare pork and you risk Trichinosis,

We cook meat to remove parasites and bacteria, but we're the only species to have to do so. We're also the only other species that sucks on another mammal's titty to satisfy our milk cravings.

As with sushi and such. I'll just bring up a few points.

-Factory farmed salmon tastes and looks like shit compared to wild salmon. Oh shit, they add colorants to that farmed shit toO? Yea, your farmed salmon would normally be an ugly gray color.
-Mercury levels and heavy metals
-Parasites


Not really, it just proves how a population's perception and be fundamentally altered regarding diet. Here that idea is repulsive. Here the idea of farming and eating dogs is repulsive. I am only suggesting that is possible to have that discourse regarding eating ALL red meat.

If you gave me a live fish and told me to prepare it for you to eat no problem.
If you gave me a cow / dog and told me to do the same, I'd tell you to fuck off.

Hell, if it were legal, and I gave you a dog and you were willing to slaughter it yourself and then eat that bloody mess yourself, then you prove your own point. It's easy to hide behind your keyboard and say you'd do it, but when push comes to shove, you wouldn't be able to stomach doing that shit.

So what about gorillas? Are they gravely sick? They are vegetarians that also eat ants and termites. And yet, they manage to remain muscular, healthy, have extremely strong bones, and a peaceful yet dominate species in the jungle based on a diet of bugs and grass.

Sounds like you've bought into meat eating propaganda saying the only way to strong bones and healthy muscles is to drink milk and eat meat. It simply isn't true. If you look at health studies the required daily intake of protein is on the order of <100grams a day. Hardly unnecessary to eat a whole chicken, let alone a chicken leg. There's also plenty of other calcium sources than milk.

Our anatomy merely points that it is more natural to eat a vegatarian diet rather than a carnivorous one. Do you think you could actually live a long healthy life if you exclusively ate only steak, pork, and chicken for the rest of your life?

Damn, I made a mistake, it's not 200kg, its 200lb.

According to the New York Times, the world’s total meat supply in 2007 was 284 million tons. Since Americans eat an average of 8 ounces of meat every day – or over 180 pounds a year – this means that if the entire population of the world switched to American meat-eating habits, it would require around 550 million tons a year. How could we double our meat eating supply sustainably?


That's fucking hilarious. You actually equate people who choose a healthier lifestyle (and in their minds, more ethical) and diet of fruits and vegetables to religious ignorant bullshit.

And you say if we didn't eat meat we wouldn't be humans beings today.. OH fucking please. Don't be as stupid as to tell me that was the only factor. Back in the day we used to rape, pillage, kill other tribes, pushing natural selection and the domination of our own species.. WE WOULDN'T BE WHERE WE ARE TODAY, IF WE DIDN'T DO THAT SHIT EITHER! And is that shit still applicable today? FUCK NO!


If you're going to claim that vegetarians live a "malnourished" life, you're gravely mistaken. What the fuck kind of image do you have in your head? That vegetarians look like the starving Ethiopian kids with the bloated bellys walking around? A well-balanced vegetarian diet is among the healthiest you could eat.

Read some ACTUAL literature instead of calling me a bullshitarian.

http://www.amazon.com/Okinawa-Progra.../dp/0609807501
Nice book about the village peoples from the Okinawa region of Japan (the longest living on Earth)

http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/exper...lth/index.html
http://www.weightlossresources.co.uk...vegetarian.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetar...s_and_concerns

"Vegetarianism is considered a healthy, viable diet. The American Dietetic Association and the Dietitians of Canada have found a properly planned vegetarian diet to satisfy the nutritional needs for all stages of life, and large-scale studies have shown vegetarianism to significantly lower risks of cancer, ischaemic heart disease, and other fatal diseases.[30][31][32] Necessary nutrients, proteins, and amino acids for the body's sustenance can be found in vegetables, grains, nuts, soymilk, eggs and dairy.[33]"

You want to disagree with the American Academy of Physician Assistants?
http://www.jaapa.com/is-a-vegetarian...rticle/130993/

The Canadian Heart and Stroke Foundation?
http://www.heartandstroke.on.ca/site...rian_diets.htm

The American Heart Association?
http://www.americanheart.org/present...dentifier=4777

You still want more? Still going to tell me to go on with my mal-nourished life?

Please prove how a properly balanced vegetarian diet is detrimental to one's health. Otherwise you're the one spreading shit, not me.

People have eaten meat for as long as we've been humans. We aren't gonna stop because some animals are suffering. Guess what, they end up in our bellies whether they go out peacefully or not.

not even gonna qoute the wall of text but.

meat is delicious. chemicals in meat make meat cheap. meat hasn't killed me yet, and meat won't kill me. how you make meat cheap and affordable justifies how meat is made.

so fuck off vegatarians. and those who think organic food 'tastes' better. fuck you all for telling me what 'tastes' better, whats next? green is cooler then blue? piss off.

believe it or not, even though meat is blasted with chemicals that aren't too good for us.. the reality is that we have all become adapted to the chemicals

I'm only going to quote this part:

All those links say is that a vegetarian diet CAN be healthy. I am not disputing that. I never did dispute that. I just think it's stupid.

If you are going to tell me that vegetarians can lead normal, healthy lives with the right amount of planning and effort, you won't find an argument from me. If you want to do that, go for it.

I never said a "properly balanced vegetarian diet" is bad for you. It's fine. You can get by just fine. If you are getting enough protein and saturated fats, it can be fine. But it's not "more healthy". And don't kid yourself into thinking that vegetarians (especially vegans) actually eat anything even resembling a proper vegetarian diet. Because it's almost impossible to do without great effort. Most of them end up eating a shitload of sugars and grains, and a ton of tofu-based products, which are probably worse for you than any nitrites added to sausages and luncheon meat.

But if you are going to spout off bullshit like "humans were meant to be vegetarians", then that is when you start looking like a raving lunatic, and I am going to call you out for it. Because that type of extreme statement (and the fact you just missed every point I made, and went off quoting from sites like CNN.com and Wikipedia) just makes you look like a moron.

And yes, vegetarianism is a cult.